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Unread 09-15-2020, 12:20 AM   #1
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https://www.gunbroker.com/item/879014817

Is it even possible this is an original gun, as the seller presents?
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Unread 09-15-2020, 12:55 AM   #2
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Not a chance! Total redo.
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The gun was sold at a local auction within the last two months. I don't know the price.
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Wow... I dont know what to say. The seller must be pinecreek daves brother. And he thinks it is so special he has it listed two times on GB.
A very good gun was really molested to make a truly “one of a kind” gun.
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It reminds me of the Crescent 410 someone tried to pass off as an LC Smith 410 maybe 7 years ago on gunbroker. They went as far as engraving LC SMITH on the side plates!
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Wow. Just...WOW. Don't even know where to start. Brian, what is it with crazy guys and "nickel" or "silver breech" guns???

First Pine Creek Looney Tunes, then that snot nose child on the LAC, now this guy.

The rule of thumb about length of advert definitely applies...the longer the story has to be, the less interested you should be. The only thing it's missing is a personal family story...perhaps involving a relative who used to hunt with Grover Cleveland? Or won the gun at a game of cards with Dwight Eisenhower?

Hey, at least the engraving is "unmarried." It will stay sharper that way.

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BTW...are there actually experienced gun sellers who think that barrels come from the factory with a hole in the bottom rib?

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Remarkable "Pine Creek Dave pre-production special order" BTFE

Dr Bob could no doubt help re: Lefever but the earliest double gun (not SBT) BTFEs were:
Hunter Arms 1920 as part of the "Trap Package"
Baker Expert Grade and Paragon Double Barrel Trap Gun with the "Baker Perfect Grip" Fore-End c. 1921
Parker 1923
Ithaca 1925
http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/...&Number=487249

Scroll down here for Dave's special order one-of-a kind 1901 Smith BTFE, according to his grandpappy, Bill Brophy and George Bird Evans
http://www.16ga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23107&start=0

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I am not sure when the disclaimer "I am not an expert...." became a license to publish total BS, but that's today's universe of alternative facts. We have no evidence of a Lefever Arms Co (the real one, not the Ithaca Nitro Co.) producing a Beaver Tail Forend on a double gun. Even claims that this may be an Ithaca assembled gun wouldn't hold up when Ithaca was not known to make BTFEs before 1925.
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I am a Lefever collector (own 5) and have never seen a Beaver Tail Forend on one. Pretty yes, original no. I own a DS that is said to have belonged to a Lefever family member, has much better original wood than I have ever seen on another DS.
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