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the lc smith gun collectors said that the lc smith long range was first made in 1923....i assume by this there must have been shells for gun.... charlie
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12-13-2010, 10:42 AM | #4 | ||||||
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Very true. From everything I can glean, 3" chambering in a 12 gauge was done prior to 1900. The interesting part of this discussion is when the extra heavy loads of more than 1 1/2 oz (and the guns to shoot them) started coming into existence. 2 oz. of shot in a 12 gauge is a very heavy load, even today. It is a heavy load in a 10 gauge as well, or at least it was during the blackpowder era. The L.C. Smith Long Range is an interesting gun, I wonder what loads the factory advertised it could handle? Maybe it was the first "Magnum" as we think of them today i.e. big shells + big payloads. Fascinating topic.
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12-13-2010, 08:04 PM | #5 | ||||||
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yes it would be interesting to know what the gun companys said were safe for their guns.....why make a gun in 3 inch chambers and only shoot lite loads in it.....i guess im a glutton for punishment but i like 3 in. 3 1/2 inch guns and big payloads.... charlie
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12-15-2010, 08:02 AM | #6 | ||||||
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Gentlemen,
In the Pigeon Ring era one could purchase commercial loads for a 12 bore of up to, if memory serves me correct, 3 and a half inches. The extra length was for additional wadding, NOT additional shot. The additional wadding served to soften the blow from the wad onto the shot. This produced LESS deformed shot and subsequently better patterns. The modern 3" magnum was introduced as the Super X Winchester. The Suer X 3" was made for/in conjunction with the Super Fox HE. I think they were both introduced in 1923. I might be a year late on that... How about one of you guys Google it an let us know? Mark |
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12-16-2010, 10:50 PM | #7 | ||||||
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what about the heavy duck model 12 winchester 3 inch gun....any body know what year it went into production.....charlie
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12-17-2010, 10:04 AM | #8 | ||||||
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I think 1935. Pete
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12-17-2010, 09:06 PM | #9 | ||||||
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seems like lc smith and fox were first to come out with modern 3 inch gunc to shoot the 3 inch magnum as we know it today....i wonder when did parker make ther 3 inch gun to shoot heavy loads....charlie
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12-20-2010, 05:31 AM | #10 | ||||||
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NEGATIVE Charlie,
"The modern 3" magnum was introduced as the Super X Winchester. The Super X 3" was made for/in conjunction with the Super Fox HE." The Super Fox was FIRST! The LC Smith Long Range Wildfowl gun was introduced as competition to the Super Fox. Nothing against the LC Long Range as I own two of them but the Fox led the way! Mark |
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