Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums  

Go Back   Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums Parker Forums General Parker Discussions

Notices

Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
Barrel work ???
Unread 08-30-2016, 03:55 PM   #1
Member
Wilmurt
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Tom Jay's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 533
Thanks: 318
Thanked 832 Times in 195 Posts

Default Barrel work ???

My 1886 12 ga. top lever hammer is a 1 frame D grade 28" cyl/cyl. I've been ISO a second set of barrels with either fuller chokes or other gauge and came across a set that are 12 ga. 1 frame 30" grade 0 plain twist with a serial number not to far off from mine. Barrel muzzle is said to be slightly bent, but usable and needs slugging. Barrel is under $100. A couple of questions: 1) What gunsmith can be recommended to restore this barrel, i.e. slug, straighten, refinish? 2) If not the fuller choke that I want, could this barrel be re-sleeved to a 16 or 20 ga? 3) Am I wasting my money to pursue this idea? It would be good to hear your thoughts or from someone that has gone through a similar experience. Thanks.
Tom Jay is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 08-30-2016, 08:50 PM   #2
Member
OH Osthaus
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Rick Losey's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 7,808
Thanks: 1,646
Thanked 8,157 Times in 3,260 Posts

Default

if you go as far as sleeving- you could likely buy a gun in the grades that wore twist tubes for what you will have in it

even fitting it to another gun, along with repairs and choke work would be cost prohibitive IMHO

and just curious -- why would you slug a shotgun barrel?
__________________
"If there is a heaven it must have thinning aspen gold, and flighting woodcock, and a bird dog" GBE
Rick Losey is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Rick Losey For Your Post:
Unread 08-30-2016, 10:01 PM   #3
Member
Wilmurt
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Tom Jay's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 533
Thanks: 318
Thanked 832 Times in 195 Posts

Default

Current owner says barrel should be slugged. I don't know much about slugging a barrel other than what I've read online. I'd want to get a gunsmith's point of view prior to doing any work. The $100 cost may be worth spending to get an estimate of work.
Tom Jay is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 08-30-2016, 10:39 PM   #4
Member
Dean Romig
PGCA Invincible
Life Member
 
Dean Romig's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 31,638
Thanks: 35,615
Thanked 33,233 Times in 12,376 Posts

Default

'Slugged' is a new term for me - never heard it used before. What does it mean please?






.
__________________
"I'm a Setter man.
Not because I think they're better than the other breeds,
but because I'm a romantic - stuck on tradition - and to me, a Setter just "belongs" in the grouse picture."

George King, "That's Ruff", 2010 - a timeless classic.
Dean Romig is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Dean Romig For Your Post:
Unread 08-30-2016, 10:59 PM   #5
Member
Wilmurt
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Tom Jay's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 533
Thanks: 318
Thanked 832 Times in 195 Posts

Default

Apparently it's a process of pushing a metal ball of same or slightly larger diameter through the barrel to smooth the inside. This process seems more widely used with pistols and rifles than shotguns. Personally, I don't know why you would do it on a shotgun.
Tom Jay is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 08-30-2016, 11:02 PM   #6
Member
Dean Romig
PGCA Invincible
Life Member
 
Dean Romig's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 31,638
Thanks: 35,615
Thanked 33,233 Times in 12,376 Posts

Default

There are more precise (read: precision) methods of raising dents.





.
__________________
"I'm a Setter man.
Not because I think they're better than the other breeds,
but because I'm a romantic - stuck on tradition - and to me, a Setter just "belongs" in the grouse picture."

George King, "That's Ruff", 2010 - a timeless classic.
Dean Romig is online now   Reply With Quote
Unread 08-31-2016, 07:16 AM   #7
Member
Kensal Rise
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 1,769
Thanks: 583
Thanked 2,577 Times in 926 Posts

Default

As indicated, your extra barrel set could be a bargain, or a money pit. In any case, the man you should get the barrels evaluated by is Kirk Merrington. Check his prices before going in with both feet:

http://www.merringtongun.com
John Campbell is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 08-31-2016, 07:20 AM   #8
Member
OH Osthaus
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Rick Losey's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 7,808
Thanks: 1,646
Thanked 8,157 Times in 3,260 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dean Romig View Post
'Slugged' is a new term for me - never heard it used before. What does it mean please?

.
slugging is a process used for rifle barrels - a bore diameter lead slug is made- and used with a lapping compound to clean up a rifles bore - because it mates to the grooves and lands it evens up a rough bore, and sometimes to polish them for accuracy

since the slug is poured from a lead alloy- which will deform to some extent when pushed against dents - i see no use for the process in a shotgun barrel

and if you "slugged" with a piece of hard metal of equal or larger bore diameter - its my opinion you would compound the damage

dents can be raised with a series of metal plugs starting with one at the most narrow spot working up to full bore- but you still push some material forward not straight back up, which IMHO is the best option
__________________
"If there is a heaven it must have thinning aspen gold, and flighting woodcock, and a bird dog" GBE
Rick Losey is online now   Reply With Quote
Unread 08-31-2016, 07:48 AM   #9
Member
edgarspencer
PGCA Member
 
edgarspencer's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 6,100
Thanks: 2,946
Thanked 11,547 Times in 3,106 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Jay View Post
Current owner says barrel should be slugged.
Really?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Jay View Post
I don't know much about slugging a barrel other than what I've read online.
Really!
edgarspencer is online now   Reply With Quote
Unread 08-31-2016, 08:54 AM   #10
Member
Kevin McCormack
PGCA Lifetime
Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 2,018
Thanks: 1,237
Thanked 3,619 Times in 1,024 Posts

Default

Slugging is (was?) routinely used in finishing shotgun barrels for repeaters (single barrels). On a tour of the Ithaca factory years ago, I watched a lady operate a machine that forced a rotating lead slug spinning slowly on a shaft (literally, shaped exactly like a rifled slug) back and forth through the barrel the length of the bore. After two passes, she pulled the barrel out of its fixture and inspected it visually. She said the process helped to polish the bore as well as "move" (I assume by swaging) any tiny imperfections left by the 'Roto Forge."
Kevin McCormack is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Kevin McCormack For Your Post:
Reply

Tags
hammer, top lever barrel


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:56 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1998 - 2024, Parkerguns.org
Copyright © 2004 Design par Megatekno
- 2008 style update 3.7 avec l'autorisation de son auteur par Stradfred.