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I looked at this gun but backed away because of the 3 1/4 drop at heal and the chip out of the toe of the stock and butt plate. If the stock was good that would be a very nice hammer gun. You forgot the most important picture with the chip out of the stock.
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11-17-2014, 08:59 AM | #4 | ||||||
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Even with the damage to the toe, this gun screams condition. Very nice.
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11-17-2014, 08:18 PM | #5 | ||||||
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toes are not that bad to repair, nor are buttplates
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11-18-2014, 09:44 AM | #6 | ||||||
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I have had difficulty accessing this forum for several days hence the delay in thanking all of you for your comments.
I am not too worried about the wood or stock dimensions. I am concerned, maybe too much so, about the barrels. Their condition looks just way too good for a gun of this vintage suggesting they may have been cleaned up. Perhaps both inside and out. Couple that with barrels that are light to begin with as this appears to be a #1 frame gun and I am a bit skeptical. I wish I knew the barrel wall thickness as I wish to shoot it, not just look at it. |
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11-18-2014, 11:16 AM | #7 | ||||||
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I have a No. 1 frame 12ga Quality G made in 1883 and shoot it regularly with up to 1 1 /8oz 3 dre loads . Looking at the pictured gun, the condition of the wood, finish, and case colors are consistent with a little used gun. It would not be inconsistent that the bores are shiny and walls are original thickness. You would not be able to tell for sure without you measuring the bores. If nominal ID of .732 , wall thickness should be around .030-.035 if this specimen is like others of the same configuration.
For value, people will have their own opinions, but I can tell you that I know of four Quality G Top Action Hammer guns , No. 1 frame light upland 12ga's that have sold in the last five years . They were all in slightly higher condition than this ( more case colors) and sold for $3500 to $4500. None had stock toe chips. The pictured gun looks to be a nice one, light upland hammer guns are hard to find, and ones that would be enjoyable to carry afield are few and far between. As for a drop at heel of 3 1/4", by later Parker standards that is more than usual, but for the standards of the time of manufacture, that is the norm from what I have seen. Lots of guns made then have much more drop. I think for many if not most people, if they throw the gun to their shoulder enough times they can get the hang of it. The old timers did. |
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11-18-2014, 12:04 PM | #8 | ||||||
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Bruce, are you suggesting this gun is a G or 1 grade? I had it pegged for a V or 0 grade.
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11-18-2014, 12:30 PM | #9 | ||||||
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Good catch Gary and my error. Its not a G, I expanded the photo size and looked again. It is not twist barrels either, they look like laminated steel barrels, if so it is a Quality L. The gun in hand will verify grade.
So that may reduce the value some, but regardless its a nice gun and worthy of consideration. I looked again, the barrels say laminated. Definitely a Quality L. The lowest grade used twist barrels. |
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11-18-2014, 07:26 PM | #10 | ||||||
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Anyone who does not own or have access to a bore micrometer or wall thickness gauge should not be buying composite barrel guns, or any old gun for that matter. Two hundred bucks in gauges can save you many times more in your first purchase.
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