8ga fiber wad

Milton C Starr · 01-20-2021, 01:34 AM

Wondering if any of the 8 gauge guys seen these ? I read the guys using them are doing so because they are easier on the old fixed chokes and widely variable bores sizes than the industrial wads .

https://www.claygame.co.uk/8ga-fibre-shot-cups-pd77

I find it kind of ironic 100 years ago shotshells were technically bio degradable , brass hull and fiberwards seems things are coming full circle on the other side of the pond .

Jay Oliver · 01-20-2021, 08:59 AM

Milton, I don't have an 8 gauge(yet...), but I have been very interested in these fiber shot cups. I would like to try them in brass shells as well as in a muzzleloader(in several gauges).

I would think those wads would really help the pattern and extend the range in muzzleloaders, which usually have a a cylinder choke. I have a few percussion sxs guns and some flintlock fowlers I should us more often.

I have only seen them listed in England. I know that there is a trend to move away from plastic wads. I need to order some(if I can) and give them a try.

Milton C Starr · 01-20-2021, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Oliver

Milton, I don't have an 8 gauge(yet...), but I have been very interested in these fiber shot cups. I would like to try them in brass shells as well as in a muzzleloader(in several gauges).

I would think those wads would really help the pattern and extend the range in muzzleloaders, which usually have a a cylinder choke. I have a few percussion sxs guns and some flintlock fowlers I should us more often.

I have only seen them listed in England. I know that there is a trend to move away from plastic wads. I need to order some(if I can) and give them a try.

I think we can order wads and such from over there just no primers of course .
I would like to pickup a 8 gauge but I think its best to wait . I seen on a wildfowling forum alot of them said what I was thinking . With the new laws going into effect the 8 bores are going to be too expensive for reloading or too much of a hassle to carry afield so the market might bottom out on them . I think as they get older they figure why carry a 8 when they can carry a 20 ga loaded with tss .

Their resizing die looks interesting im pretty sure Ive seen this on the forum before .
https://www.claygame.co.uk/8ga-case-resizing-die-pd158

WHO · 01-20-2021, 03:48 PM

It appears they only ship to the UK, according to their website. Too bad, I would of liked to try the shot cups.

Milton C Starr · 01-20-2021, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayne Owens

It appears they only ship to the UK, according to their website. Too bad, I would of liked to try the shot cups.

I see that now , doesnt make much sense wads are considered a hazardous item but nothing to do about that .

Something ive been wondering about is making your own shotcups using fiberwads like the circlefly ones with a mylar wrap glued around them .

6pt-Sika · 01-20-2021, 09:27 PM

I emailed these guys several months ago I wanted to order 500-1000 of their once fired Winchester 8 gauge hulls and they emailed me back with something about they weren’t allowed to ship shotgun hulls out of the UK . Now it’s a moot point as I have about 1000 8 gauge hulls .

Jay Oliver · 01-21-2021, 02:31 PM

I use the traditional circle fly wads all the time as well. Though I was excited at the chance to try this fiber shot cup as I think it would have batter patterns in brass shells and muzzleloaders. I can't bring my self to use a plastic wad in a muzzleloader, even though I know people do it. This fiber shot cup seems to be a good way to improve performance, but still be somewhat traditional.

It has the side bonus of being biodegradable which is a big deal and Europe and perhaps becoming the trend here. I like that too if they work well.

I was able to buy empty brass pinfire shells from France recently. They came with traditional fiber wads too. I just sent the retailer an email asking if there was a way to send these shot cups to the US. Maybe instead of sending direct to me they could send them to a distributor. I'll let you know what I find out.

Elk Hunter · 01-23-2021, 10:08 AM

Quote, Jay Oliver: "I was able to buy empty brass pinfire shells from France recently. They came with traditional fiber wads too."

Recently I made up some 16 gauge pinfire cases from modern Remington plastic cases. Not difficult but very time consuming. I have a few of the old CBC brass cases that I may convert but they are not very high quality and I fear the base may not stand up to repeated removal and replacement of the cap holder.

Now to the point: I'm unlikely to shoot the gun very much so I would love to buy a hundred or so new cases so I don't have to repeat the above process. Anyone here have some to sell or know where I can buy some?

Jay Oliver · 01-25-2021, 12:33 PM

Dennis, I had the hardest time finding pinfire cases. There were some 20 gauge primed hull on GunBroker for a awhile, but the are no longer there(and wrong gauge...). Though I might keep looking. I really didn't want to convert centerfire shells as I wanted a a true pinfire shell for the gun. The only place I found was expensive but high quality.

I order 24 and figure they would last me a lifetime. Here is the link: http://www.hlebooks.com/pinfire/cal16-01.htm

And I attached a few pictures of when I first got them a few months ago. I haven't shot them yet and I really don't have a good excuse. The gun is a recent purchase and my first pinfire as well. I will load these up this week and post a range report.

Good luck!

Jay Oliver · 01-25-2021, 12:41 PM

Now back to the initial discussion. This was the response from Clay and Game in England:

Thank you for your e-mail and interest in the PC Wads.

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To dispatch these over to the USA we would need to apply for an export license. These cover quantity of goods and value for two years, so we only get them for large distribution customers. Order quantities for this sort of item, to cover the overhead costs of shipping would need to be purchased by the pallet or container load. This I know puts it out of a normal customers realm of possibility. At the moment we have had no distribution interest. If there were a company in the USA that was willing to invest in stocks, then we would be happy to work with them on the supply of the wads.

I am sorry that we have been unable to supply what you are looking for.

If you do know of any one who would want to stock the products for USA distribution, please do not hesitate to have them contact us.

That probably doesn't makes sense for just wads, but I am sure there are other English products(from this company) that would also have demand. I wonder if they could sell through some of the more prominent distributors/dealers here in the US?