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Unread 12-27-2023, 09:44 PM   #21
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Ahh. There ya go. You should buy that set. You're intrigued by it per historical data. Just saying.
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Bill Murphy explained the reason for tighter chokes in skeet guns once before. Hopefully he will again, which would also explain the reversed chokes.
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Dean that is just a way cool gun that has a lot going for it. A very unique configuration with a ton of original condition, very nice indeed. I do recall seeing 25" guns with a BTFE but I do not recall a 24" gun with a BTFE. Have we seen one before? And it's a 24" 16 gauge on a 1 frame, we'll never know what the original owner was thinking. No matter, I like it. You should shoot some roosters with that one. Congrats, nice find.
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I have not triangulated all the short barreled guns to determine a large forend code. Craig T. stated the Cliff Green gun's had a BTFE, which I do not dispute. However, they do not show a large forend code like mine doesn't. Don't think we can go by the serialization book on that particular question.
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I assume it has the draw bolt in the front of the beavertail ?
Yes, it does. And the reinforced forend loop.
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Bill Murphy explained the reason for tighter chokes in skeet guns once before. Hopefully he will again, which would also explain the reversed chokes.
Jerry,
You are correct about Bill's statement. Tighter chokes were used due to the side of the field/house the targets were broken in the early days of the game.

This gun has .025R and .018L constriction.
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Jerry,
You are correct about Bill's statement. Tighter chokes were used due to the side of the field/house the targets were broken in the early days of the game.

This gun has .025 and .018 constriction.
I’ve got VHE skeets in 12 and 16 both of those when measured are closer to what I’d call light mod and mod . A typical skeet gun of today doesn’t have more than 10/1000’s in either barrel and most I think are more like 5/1000’s .
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I'm not an open choke guy, but in a 12 ga, cylinder chokes will break skeet targets all day long.
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I have a 20 gauge gun that dates to 1920 that has a beavertail with draw bolt and reinforced forend loop. The letter makes no mention of the beavertail. Letters don't always tell the entire story for whatever reason.
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When they made those entries in the Stock and Order books a hundred years ago, they weren’t really thinking about future collectors.
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Dean, that is a beautiful gun, and despite the short barrels, as I think the old saying goes, I wouldn't kick her outta the safe for eating crackers!
With the handy barrel lengths and tight chokes one could protect against highwaymen on the way to the pigeon shoot!
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