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Old 03-17-2018, 07:31 PM   #1
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Most of the information seems to point to one engraver that did most of this engraving shortly after 1900. I know of at least one B grade hammer gun that has what appears to be roundel engraving at the back center of the side plates. Is this roundel since it is not a box lock ?
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The roundel form in Parkers is known on mostly C grades, several Bs and one D made between 1900 and 1905. What year is the hammer gun?
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Serial # 26276
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And one 0-frame sixteen gauge Grade-2 that I know of.



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This poor picture illustrates my question. The encircled birds are to the rear of the locks. Could the roundel pattern be carried over from hammer guns?
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Yes Tom, it's a distinct possibility that the roundel motif is a carry-over from the hammer gun motif found on a few of the higher grades.





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Who did the engraving in this time frame?
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Grade 2 hammer / lifter 246XX
Would this be considered a roundel as it is on bottom ......
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Mark, that is considered to be a “game scene vignette” in a circular panel. It could be called “roundel” but it isn’t the ‘roundel’ style most often referred to on the sides of the frames on hammerless guns most often discussed here.





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Rondel side panel.
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