Damascus/Modern Shells

[Trey Miller]

Question for everyone...I prefer to shoot a 16 ga with 2 3/4 Fiocchi high brass 6 shot shells for grouse hunting. (Please don’t respond arguing about my load of choice. I find I wound and lose much less grouse when I use this load.). I digress. I currently have steel barrels on a 1 frame. I was considering purchasing a gun with Damascus barrels. My question is can you shoot these shells in Damascus barrels safely? I would not be targeting shoot with them. Would it matter if the chambers were altered to handle the 2 3/4 shells?

Thanks,
Trey

[6pt-Sika]

I’ve got a 16 gauge GH of 1911 vintage that has Damascus barrels and I shoot the factory promotional Dove & Quail as well as Squirrel loads in it and some would say don’t . But as to a high brass shell if it’s the same shot load powder charge as what Remington calls their “Express” loads my own personal opinion would be no .

[Dean Romig]

Frame size can sometimes translate to wall thickness at the critical points in the breech end of the barrels. I wouldn’t attempt it on a 0-frame 16.





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[B. Dudley]

You really should see if you can find out what pressures those shells are?

[Trey Miller]

I should have clarified. I currently have steel barrels on a 1 frame. I was considering purchasing a gun with Damascus barrels.

[Opening Day]

Same answer what are the pressure of the shells you are shooting and wall thickness of the barrels.

[todd allen]

High brass is no indicator of the load, btw.

[Elk Hunter]

I believe that all common, but perhaps not specialty, factory loaded 16 gauge shotshells be they high or low brass operate in the 10,000 to 11,000 PSI range some even higher. Personally I avoid them in any of my older shotguns, Damascus or steel, more to avoid stress on the frame than any other reason. Although I've not experienced it I'v seen cracked frames on older guns from shooting modern high pressure shotshells.

Just my $0,02 for what it's worth.

[C.O.B.]

The big factor isn't so much the barrels as the condition of the wood at the head of the stock. Your considering buying a gun that's 100 +/- years old. I have Damascus 16's with great wall thickness and wouldn't shoot those shells.

[Researcher]

No one can actually tell you over the internet what ammunition may or may not be safe in a given gun. We can only say what we do or know.

From just after WW-II until he quit hunting after the 1987/8 season my Father shot an 1896 vintage 12-gauge AE-Grade Remington Hammerless Double. He didn't hesitate to use Western Super-X, Remington Express, Federal Hi-Power, etc. He also had a 16-gauge AE-Grade of about 1907 vintage which he didn't use nearly as much and which was stolen out of his house in the 1970s. Serial number P136036 in case anyone sees it! My Grandfather couldn't get the hang of that new fangled Winchester pump he'd gotten and in 1901 traded it off at Kennedy Bros. for an 1890 vintage heavy PH-Grade Parker Bros. 12-gauge. My Father along with his five brothers grew up shooting that Parker. They all believed those Damascus barrel warnings on ammunition boxes were a desperate attempt by the makers to sell some new guns in those tough Great Depression years.

From the mid-1930s my Father had a 12-gauge KED-Grade Remington Hammerless Double, which he gave to his youngest brother when he returned from his stint with Patton's 3rd Army in WW-II. Dad had his AE-Grade out here in Washington and had the KED-Grade to use when he went to Minnesota to hunt with his Father and brothers. My Father with the KED-Grade and Grandfather with his Parker Bros. in the fall of 1948 --

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The AE-Grade is still fine and resides in my gun room. Grandpa's Parker continued in use for another thirty years after his death with my Uncle Howard to about 1984. It has passed through his family, none who hunt or shoot. The KED-Grade was damaged by some of my Cousins using it in the early days of steel shot. Bulged the chokes and broke the ribs loose.

Just some history to show what a lot of these old doubles have been through. I'm sure my family's guns are not unique.

I seldom shoot any of my Damascus, Laminated or Twist barrel guns, but when I do I use my light 7/8 ounce reloads.