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Unread 07-06-2018, 11:34 AM   #1
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Anybody got a picture of an early 3 inch 20 gauge box? Like real early Widgeon Club gun era type stuff.
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3 inch Selby - San Francisco -
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Here are a few --

3-inch IDEAL 20-gauge.jpg

Peters Premier 3-inch 20-gauge.jpg

Target 20-gauge 3-inch.jpg

Arrow Rem-UMC 20-gauge 3-inch Label Load.jpeg
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I love it that the 3" shells were loaded with 7/8 oz of shot. Something most of have know for awhile. I shoot 3/4oz loads in my 20's with deadly affect. 1oz loads wear on me. Don't get me wrong on recoil. I can shoot a .458 magnum with full house 510 grain loads sixteen times in rapid succession before I throw up.
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yeah, I was shocked to see that the 3" loads were only 7/8 oz. All my 20 reloads are 3/4 oz also
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Thank you gentleman, I really appreciate it. Was trying to educate an "expert" as the factory loaded 3 inch 20 gauge shells from my collection just weren't enough for him.

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Back before The Great War, the heaviest loads offered in the "standard" 2 1/2 inch 20-gauge shell by our North American ammunition companies was 2 1/4 drams of bulk smokeless powder or 18 grains of dense smokeless powder such as Infallible or Ballistite pushing 7/8 ounce of shot. In the longer 2 3/4, 2 7/8 and 3-inch cases one could get 2 1/2 drams of bulk smokeless powder or 20 grains of dense smokeless powder such as Infallible or Ballistite pushing that same 7/8 ounce of shot. The real or perceived advantage of the longer shell was more/better wadding. Note my box of Peters IDEAL above doesn't even have the hotter load.
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The Widgeon Duck Club load was probably from the California Powder Company of San Francisco. I've never seen a box.

Relevant reading which might be of interest

Forest & Stream, February 27, 1909
“Small-bore Guns and Loads” discusses 16g and gives it to Hedderly
https://books.google.com/books?id=nE...AJ&pg=PA337&dq

T.H. Grant, Forest & Stream, December 1915 - 3" shell 2 1/2 Dr. Eq. and 7/8 oz.
https://books.google.com/books?id=lR...J&pg=PA711&lpg

Edwin Hedderly Western Field editor after July 1910. His first DHE was ordered in 1911.
Arms & The Man 1915
https://books.google.com/books?id=BX...J&pg=PA158&lpg
Recreation 1917
https://books.google.com/books?id=4u...AJ&pg=PA97&lpg
Outdoor Recreation 1919
https://books.google.com/books?id=BX...J&pg=PA158&lpg

Forest & Stream, Nov. 1918 “Keener sport with the 20 gauge gun” Winchester M12 ad
https://books.google.com/books?id=b9...J&pg=PA663&lpg

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Nice graphic on the shot shell box's. J.J.
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10 20g ordered about 1913 for "Ajax Heavies" by United States Cartridge Co.??
https://books.google.com/books?id=Dy...J&pg=PT235&lpg

Ajax were available in 1912
https://books.google.com/books?id=CX...J&pg=PA469&lpg

Ajax Heavies were not introduced until 1923; Climax Heavies 1927.
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