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07-06-2018, 12:23 PM | #3 | ||||||
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Here are a few --
3-inch IDEAL 20-gauge.jpg Peters Premier 3-inch 20-gauge.jpg Target 20-gauge 3-inch.jpg Arrow Rem-UMC 20-gauge 3-inch Label Load.jpeg |
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07-06-2018, 12:30 PM | #4 | ||||||
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I love it that the 3" shells were loaded with 7/8 oz of shot. Something most of have know for awhile. I shoot 3/4oz loads in my 20's with deadly affect. 1oz loads wear on me. Don't get me wrong on recoil. I can shoot a .458 magnum with full house 510 grain loads sixteen times in rapid succession before I throw up.
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07-06-2018, 12:34 PM | #5 | ||||||
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yeah, I was shocked to see that the 3" loads were only 7/8 oz. All my 20 reloads are 3/4 oz also
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07-06-2018, 02:43 PM | #6 | ||||||
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Thank you gentleman, I really appreciate it. Was trying to educate an "expert" as the factory loaded 3 inch 20 gauge shells from my collection just weren't enough for him.
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07-06-2018, 03:26 PM | #7 | ||||||
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Back before The Great War, the heaviest loads offered in the "standard" 2 1/2 inch 20-gauge shell by our North American ammunition companies was 2 1/4 drams of bulk smokeless powder or 18 grains of dense smokeless powder such as Infallible or Ballistite pushing 7/8 ounce of shot. In the longer 2 3/4, 2 7/8 and 3-inch cases one could get 2 1/2 drams of bulk smokeless powder or 20 grains of dense smokeless powder such as Infallible or Ballistite pushing that same 7/8 ounce of shot. The real or perceived advantage of the longer shell was more/better wadding. Note my box of Peters IDEAL above doesn't even have the hotter load.
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07-06-2018, 03:49 PM | #8 | ||||||
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The Widgeon Duck Club load was probably from the California Powder Company of San Francisco. I've never seen a box.
Relevant reading which might be of interest Forest & Stream, February 27, 1909 “Small-bore Guns and Loads” discusses 16g and gives it to Hedderly https://books.google.com/books?id=nE...AJ&pg=PA337&dq T.H. Grant, Forest & Stream, December 1915 - 3" shell 2 1/2 Dr. Eq. and 7/8 oz. https://books.google.com/books?id=lR...J&pg=PA711&lpg Edwin Hedderly Western Field editor after July 1910. His first DHE was ordered in 1911. Arms & The Man 1915 https://books.google.com/books?id=BX...J&pg=PA158&lpg Recreation 1917 https://books.google.com/books?id=4u...AJ&pg=PA97&lpg Outdoor Recreation 1919 https://books.google.com/books?id=BX...J&pg=PA158&lpg Forest & Stream, Nov. 1918 “Keener sport with the 20 gauge gun” Winchester M12 ad https://books.google.com/books?id=b9...J&pg=PA663&lpg
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07-06-2018, 04:36 PM | #9 | ||||||
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Nice graphic on the shot shell box's. J.J.
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07-06-2018, 05:35 PM | #10 | ||||||
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10 20g ordered about 1913 for "Ajax Heavies" by United States Cartridge Co.??
https://books.google.com/books?id=Dy...J&pg=PT235&lpg Ajax were available in 1912 https://books.google.com/books?id=CX...J&pg=PA469&lpg Ajax Heavies were not introduced until 1923; Climax Heavies 1927.
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