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Unread 07-30-2019, 02:21 PM   #11
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Wow that is an incredible job very well done
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Beautiful contrast Breck.
Remington called that pattern on 1894 C grades "Etoile 3. B.P."; Ithaca called it "American Flag"

The lopin lower left would be "American Flag"; lower 3rd is "Washington"



Remington also had an "Etoile 3. B.P." with very fine "stars" within the scrolls



This is a Parker with "Washington" and the "stars" within the scrolls are mostly tiny rectangles


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Here's another Damascus-Twist pattern with an end-on ribband



Steve Culver thinks the lopin was something like this, and that the "mushrooming" was from external hammering

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Steve Culver thinks the lopin was something like this, and that the "mushrooming" was from external hammering


I agree.





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Steve Culver’s interpretation makes a lot of sense. Thanks for making that clear.
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I would call:
1. The Rem is American Flag Bunting , a Damascus pattern.
2. The Parker G is Crolle, a Damascus pattern.
3. The Lefever is Twist, not Damascus at all.

Nicely done refinishes. I appreciate composite barrels and regularly use such guns for target and hunting. Photos to follow of a Mod 1883 Colt shot gun with nice Damascus when the stock gets its final Brian Board mastery.
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Breck: I dug out my image from Charles Semmer's book of the labeled Remington damascus sample rod and you were correct; Remington called the pattern "Etoile (Star) 3. B.P.". Both it and "Washington N 3. B.P." were offered on the 1894 C grade. I corrected my post.

5 Washington and Etoile variants in the Joseph Juleinond de Nessonvaux sample box



As said, Ithaca called the pattern "American Flag"



Baker called this pattern "Best London Damascus Twist"



and some Ferlach and Liege makers called it "London". The lower sample is acid etched

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And just to make it more confusing, Bruce is correct that neither "Twist" nor "Damascus Twist" are twisted before being helically hammer welded on a mandrel, ie. not a "crolle" (curled) pattern
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...LxMESM3W0/edit
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There are many types of twist, ranging from stub twist, best twist and London twist. The plainest twist I have seen was the short lived Parker in house made twist. The high grades of twist are highly attractive in my opinion.
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Found my images of Damascus Twist Parkers

1888 12g No. 0 toplever hammer gun with Damascus-Twist refinished by Dale Edmonds. Courtesy of David Purnell.



No. 1 toplever hammergun refinished by Brad Bachelder

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