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05-20-2018, 09:10 PM | #3 | ||||||
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Go ahead and eat, it's not too late yet. You and thousands of other reloaders believed the same thing as noted by the same question on various shotgun related sites.
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05-20-2018, 09:36 PM | #4 | ||||||
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Another urban legend that drives me crazy is this 1400fps hyper velocity crap needed in shotshells to reduce the lead needed on long crossers. Ballistically a round sphere is not very efficient. The faster you launch it the quicker it slows down so at 40yds. a load started at 1150-1200fps. will be within +/- 50fps of a load started at 1400fps. The only measurable difference will be the brutal recoil of the faster load.
I'm glad you have seen the light Tom. Now we just have to work on that #9 stuff for grouse.
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05-20-2018, 09:55 PM | #5 | ||||||
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I got into a bit of an argument one day on the clays range with a hard core registered shooter about shotshell velocity. He was claiming the 1300 fps loads he was shooting cut his lead in half. After we got back to the clubhouse we did the math. I think we used 30 yds crossing at 45 mph as criteria. It turns out that the increased velocity did in fact reduce the lead required - by 4 inches. Most people cannot perceive 4 inches at that distance. The next time I saw the guy he was still shooting his screamers. My dad used to say "don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up". I think that little ditty applies to a bunch of folks.
Tom, don't discount pressure as inconsequential. It certainly affects pattern performance. |
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05-20-2018, 10:01 PM | #6 | ||||||
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I'm glad you have seen the light Tom. Now we just have to work on that #9 stuff for grouse.[/QUOTE]
Nice try Daryl but that one is going to be a lot tougher to break. My perspective on small shot on grouse came originally from my grandfather and grouse hunters he knew, some of whom I talked to about the subject in their later years. They used 10's including one who shot for the NY market when it was still legal. It worked well for me and I have taken a very large numbers of grouse over the years with #9's. It made sense to me in tight cover to throw 7/8 oz. of shot with 506 #9 pellets vs. 302 #7 1/2. Plus none of the great books by Spiller, Foster, Schaldach and others recommended 7 1/2 for grouse. In fact they all spoke against it. I will probably go to my grave touting the advantages of #9 for grouse. We all have to decide for ourselves what we think best but this is one area that you and I are going to have to disagree on Daryl. |
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05-20-2018, 10:29 PM | #7 | |||||||
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And I could never understand trying to cram more that 1 1/4 oz. in a 12 bore or 1 oz. of shot in a 28 bore for that matter. All it does is create a lot of recoil and long shot strings. Low pressure, moderate speeds and sensible loads for each gauge is what makes sense for me. |
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05-21-2018, 10:25 AM | #8 | ||||||
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Tom some times those old assumptions never die. I have taken information in print from shotshell and powder mfg's to the local gun club and tried to convince them of this more than once. I really don't think I ever converted a single person from their thinking that pressure translates to recoil. I have tried so many explanations it's ridiculous and finally realized that when you show it to them in print from scientifically conducted experiments and they still won't buy it that it's time to give it up. Welcome aboard !
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05-21-2018, 12:32 PM | #9 | ||||||
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You guys convinced me. I see the light. If one doesn't accept proven facts he is a fool. Now that I've come around on pressure, I hope Daryl sees the light and comes around on #9's for grouse . I'm going to work on him.
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05-21-2018, 01:20 PM | #10 | ||||||
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Daryl, I was thinking the same thing.
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