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I have been negotiating with an acquaintance on a lever rifle for a few days when he mentioned a Parker he had that he did not want. Assuming it was a 12 Gauge V Grade I was surprised when he told me it had "birds" engraved on it. A few pics later I was able to surmise it had been blued at some point and I believe the stock (English) has been replaced. It has a single selective trigger.

My question is, the barrel says Made In Belgium under the for-end and has "Re-barreled by" (can't make out the rest in the pic) on the right side. The barrel has Belgian proofs.

How does that relate to value? I assume between the re-blue and non Parker barrels it falls pretty low? Was this common practice?

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The rebarrel, on top of everything else you mentioned that is not right about the gun should be telling you to pay as little as possible.

I cannot see a gun like you describe being worth much more than $500.
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Ryan, we see them from time to time and yes, it likely has minimum value.

Can you post a few pictures or at least tell us the serial number and we can tell you how it left the factory.





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The rebarrel, on top of everything else you mentioned that is not right about the gun should be telling you to pay as little as possible.

I cannot see a gun like you describe being worth much more than $500.
Oh, I agree, I already told the owner I was out on that particular gun.

I was just curious about the Belgian barrels and their relation to value, that kind of took me by surprise.
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Ryan, we see them from time to time and yes, it likely has minimum value.

Can you post a few pictures or at least tell us the serial number and we can tell you how it left the factory.





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I will see what I can do, I can tell you that it is not listed in the "book". I received my copy from my children for x-mas thanks to the suggestions here.
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It was most likely originally made with Damascus barrels. There has been a Damascus scare perpetrated by the gunmakers and ammo companies to scare folks into buying a new gun with fluid pressed steel barrels. Some folks chose to simply have them rebarreled.

A lot of us shoot our Damascus barreled guns with impunity... after expert examination for flaws and adequate barrel wall thickness. This of course should be the common practice with ANY old gun.





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Ryan, we see them from time to time and yes, it likely has minimum value.
How can one assume so quickly a re-barreled gun has little to no value? As you indicated, Dean, the OP hasn't provided much information apart from 'thinking' it may be re-stocked. What was reblued? At the very least, he indicates it has a single selective trigger, so one could justifiably assume it was also an ejector gun. There are 'Belgian barrels', and then there are Francotte, or Louis Christofe' barrels. Would you walk right by a grade 5 or 6, with high grade barrels made by someone other than Parker. I think I'd want to know a lot more before I so casually assumed it was worth "$500".
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As I indicated before.... the serial number will probably tell the story. Heck, we've seen some stunning early AH guns with birds () on them...





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The receiver was blued and not cased, the restock is a loose assumption but the butt does not match the for-end and the wood is much lighter, it has a pad and is void of the insignia? plate (not sure what to call that). The serial number is in the 170K's. From internet pics it looks to be a GH?

I will inquire about sharing the pics/serial number, I am very adamant about respecting friends/acquaintances and I don't know how this person would feel if I shared this information.
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How can one assume so quickly a re-barreled gun has little to no value? As you indicated, Dean, the OP hasn't provided much information apart from 'thinking' it may be re-stocked. What was reblued? At the very least, he indicates it has a single selective trigger, so one could justifiably assume it was also an ejector gun. There are 'Belgian barrels', and then there are Francotte, or Louis Christofe' barrels. Would you walk right by a grade 5 or 6, with high grade barrels made by someone other than Parker. I think I'd want to know a lot more before I so casually assumed it was worth "$500".


Edgar, If you want the Incorrectly finished and restocked V grade 12g with aftermarket barrels for more than that, I am sure the OP may give you the owners number so that you can buy it from him.

True I did not see photos of the gun or know more than the OP described, but what he described is all I needed to know to make my assessment of the situation based on the information provided to me. As we all know, opinions on value ARE subjective and can vary. But... take into consideration that today there are a LOT of unmolested and all original VH grade, shooter quality, guns that are not selling for more than $1,000. So...

Again... MY opinion. so it does not matter all that much in the grand scheme of things.
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