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I will say, I cringed when I read what Askins did to his gun (and it's what inspired this post), and I was happy to read that when he contacted Parker Bros. they told him to buy another gun. Still, I see provenance as an important issue to many collectors. Maybe not Askins so much, although he is certainly an important individual to the history of shotgunning, but when we look at other figures, such as Annie Oakley, Czar Nicholas, Nash Buckingham, and Teddy Roosevelt (all more prominent than Askins, for sure), it certainly seems to be the case that (a least some) collectors value provenance. I don't like single triggers or beavertail fore arms, but I understand they are desirable features and bring higher asking prices. I also know that certain provenance, maybe not so much with Askins, also calls for more interest. I remember reading recently of how some of our members thought that the DuBray hammer gun should have sold for more than it did because of its provenance. DuBray and Askins are arguably not in the same Parker collector category, but I think it would be supportable to say that a well documented gun from Askins had more value than the same gun without this gun's history...but NOT the same as the same gun in original factory condition.
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I unabashedly admit that I was one of those who believed the duBray AA hammer gun should have sold for multiples of the figure it did sell for. I had handled the gun and was privy to a lot more pictures and associated provenance than was included in the Parker Pages article on the gun. Oh well, shows ya what I know....
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I, too, was surprised at what the DuBray gun sold for, but I also believe that if it comes up again in another year, it might go much higher. There are so many vagaries to what guns sell for at auction at any given time. I can guarantee you this: the gun would have gone for a higher amount if I'd had the money at the time!
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01-01-2019, 08:49 AM | #26 | ||||||
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I don't care who owned the gun and wouldn't pay more for one because somebody "famous" had once owned it.
I would prefer originality vs cobbled up by anybody famous or not.
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01-01-2019, 09:32 AM | #27 | ||||||
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Personally ownership history is interesting. I like knowing the history of the Parkers I own. But to me that history doesn't have a thing to do with how I value a gun. A nice original gun with zero history can be just as valuable to me as one that I know a lot of its history.
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01-01-2019, 10:02 AM | #28 | ||||||
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I once was the owner of a V grade 12 gauge that was originally 30" It was 28" when I bought it The Parker letter said that it was sent back to have 2 inches cut off the barrels add a ivory site and make a set of 20 gauge twist 32" barrels for this gun, I remember that the frame was #2 the twenty gauge barrels were swamped to say the least, but what was interesting was Parker just cut the barrels no line on the rib, so if you find a gun with no line on the rib it may be factory work, just saying Gary
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01-01-2019, 11:29 AM | #29 | |||||||
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Not to me personally, but there are pllenty of gun guys who chase guns attached to Askins Jr or Sr. In 1935, it is entirely possible Jr. had already started ghost writing for his father in outdoor life.
Anyway, I would argue that for the askins folks if the gun could be verified as the correct gun, it would bring a nice premium over a gun he had just owned that was original. Heck, just look at a few of the colt border patrols that have sold on occasion that were documented as having been modified by Jr when he was the armorer for them.
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