Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums  

Go Back   Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums Parker Forums General Parker Discussions

Notices

Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
Unread 07-12-2018, 09:21 PM   #11
Member
Jeff K.
PGCA Lifetime
Member

Admin

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,386
Thanks: 787
Thanked 2,782 Times in 649 Posts

Default

My bernard C.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_1603.jpg (497.5 KB, 8 views)
Jeff Kuss is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to Jeff Kuss For Your Post:
Unread 07-12-2018, 09:29 PM   #12
Member
Craig Budgeon
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 479
Thanks: 123
Thanked 341 Times in 207 Posts

Default

Back in the day when my interest in European guns was much more acute, I had been told by knowledge members of the gun trade that Bernard barrels were rare by any maker because the blanks were not produced in large quantities. Perhaps Parker picked the C grade to incorporate Bernard barrels because of its limited demand. Parker still produced nearly 1/3 of there composite barreled C grades with Damascus barrels rather than Bernard.
Craig Budgeon is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-12-2018, 10:24 PM   #13
Member
Dean Romig
PGCA Invincible
Life Member
 
Dean Romig's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 31,557
Thanks: 35,430
Thanked 33,039 Times in 12,321 Posts

Default

According to the tables at the end of each grade in the Grades section of The Parker Story only 489 Parkers were ever made with Bernard Steel barrels. That's only 2/10ths of 1% of all Parkers ever made. I guess they really are special.





.
__________________
"I'm a Setter man.
Not because I think they're better than the other breeds,
but because I'm a romantic - stuck on tradition - and to me, a Setter just "belongs" in the grouse picture."

George King, "That's Ruff", 2010 - a timeless classic.
Dean Romig is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Dean Romig For Your Post:
Unread 07-13-2018, 10:40 AM   #14
Member
Drew Hause
Forum Associate
 
Drew Hause's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,084
Thanks: 323
Thanked 3,761 Times in 1,245 Posts

Default

Bernard patterns, frequently acid etched, were the barrels of choice for high grade German/Austrian guns.
I've only see ONE English double with Bernard barrels; Charles Boswell courtesy of Paul Stevens. The Birmingham Proof House Trial did NOT include Bernard; I'm still not sure what "English machine-forged chequered 3 rod Damascus" was however
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...EK8OtPYVA/edit



The question remains if the Parker "Rose Pattern" Bernard was Bernard I or Bernard II. I've been calling the prominent rose pattern Bernard II for 10 years, and could be wrong; and posted all those images so anyone can be free to decide. I couldn't find in my files what Dr. Gaddy called the Parker pattern other than Bernard.
Until we have a definitive answer from Parker literature, it might be reasonable to just call it "Rose Pattern" Bernard.

BTW: Rosa Damascena



"Rosebud" knife blade Damascus


Last edited by Drew Hause; 07-13-2018 at 11:26 AM..
Drew Hause is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Drew Hause For Your Post:
Visit Drew Hause's homepage!
Unread 07-13-2018, 10:59 AM   #15
Member
Craig Budgeon
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 479
Thanks: 123
Thanked 341 Times in 207 Posts

Default

After some thought I believe that the imaging of Bernard steel barrels prior to 1914 was very poor whether it was printed or photographed in black & white. Damascus was well known and a safe decision. Few knew that Bernard steel existed and fewer still actually had witnessed its beauty. There were no smart phones prior to 1914 and you were lucky to have a party line. PS. 1914 represents the beginning of WW1 and the demise of composite steel barrels
Craig Budgeon is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Craig Budgeon For Your Post:
Unread 07-13-2018, 11:39 AM   #16
Member
Bruce Day
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Bruce Day's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,993
Thanks: 552
Thanked 15,605 Times in 2,666 Posts

Default

For those who attend the Pheasant Fest in Schaumburg Ill next Feb, I will bring several Bernard barreled guns, including a smallbore. There are a handful of B grades with Bernard but mostly C’s. We have a Parker letter indicating Bernard barrels were more resistant to wear than the four blade Damascus otherwise offered for C grades.
Bruce Day is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Bruce Day For Your Post:
Unread 07-13-2018, 11:41 AM   #17
Member
Kirk Potter
PGCA Member
 
Kirk Potter's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 692
Thanks: 984
Thanked 773 Times in 217 Posts

Default

A Bernard C was my dream Parker, and I had one for a while.. A Bernard CH with 28” barrels and Rondel engraving? Now that would be nice.
Kirk Potter is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-13-2018, 12:19 PM   #18
Member
Craig Larter
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Craig Larter's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,510
Thanks: 2,882
Thanked 10,213 Times in 1,622 Posts

Default

My CH 10ga 30" on a #3 frame circa 1893.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 153-4.jpg (57.5 KB, 11 views)
Craig Larter is offline   Reply With Quote
Bernard
Unread 07-13-2018, 05:57 PM   #19
Member
Hammer Gun
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Gary Carmichael Sr's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 3,616
Thanks: 2,742
Thanked 7,665 Times in 1,642 Posts

Default Bernard

A Bernard Grade 3 lifter with 30" Barrels, The letter I have says Damascus barrels, but it has Bernard barrels plus the gold oval in the pistol grip normally found on higher grade guns, Ser# 34141
Attached Images
File Type: jpg _MG_7567.JPG (144.4 KB, 6 views)
Gary Carmichael Sr is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to Gary Carmichael Sr For Your Post:
Unread 07-13-2018, 06:08 PM   #20
Member
mobirdhunter
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Garry L Gordon's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 4,648
Thanks: 13,081
Thanked 9,468 Times in 3,042 Posts

Default

I was able to check Bernard from off of my bucket list of guns-to-own-before-I-die. I have a few more to check off, so I'm not dead yet.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_4380.jpg (259.7 KB, 3 views)
__________________
“Every day I wonder how many things I am dead wrong about.”
― Jim Harrison
"'I promise you,' he said, 'on my word of honor, I won't die on the opening of the bird season.'" -- Robert Ruark (from The Old Man and the Boy)
Garry L Gordon is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Garry L Gordon For Your Post:
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:04 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1998 - 2023, Parkerguns.org
Copyright © 2004 Design par Megatekno
- 2008 style update 3.7 avec l'autorisation de son auteur par Stradfred.