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Unread 06-21-2019, 12:15 PM   #1
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While looking at Gunbroker I saw a faux Parker Brothers O/U gun for sale. Starting at $18k and buy it now for $29,950. First time I've seen one for sale so I guess they sold at least 1. I saw a demo gun at the Vintage Cup years ago. Nice looking gun.
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I saw that ad also. It is nice looking, but for $18 grand I can think of a lot of guns I would have before it
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Yeah, that is the first time I have actually seen one come to market second hand. I am sure that some got out the door before the operation went belly-up.

To my understanding, there was some legal issues over the name as well.

In my opinion, these guns are a total abomination. Not only in them being an O/U, but even in styling. I think if Parker were to have actually built an O/U, the result would be much different than that.

I wonder what the creators of that had going through their heads thinking that was ever a good idea.
I suppose that at the time, O/U were THE double gun being used and they thought that the "Parker" name was enough to make people line up to buy one. Maybe that is all that did get bought... ONE.
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I think that the CSMC M21 is a similar mistake
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I assume that the CSMC model 21 O/U was not an actual reproduction of the original Winchester 21 O/U prototype?
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I think that the CSMC M21 is a similar mistake
I have been to Connecticut Shotgun several times and while there handled a few of the 21 O/U's. I actually contemplated buying one but I am just not that fond of O/U's. That being said, they are a very nice gun that handle and swing nicely. I have no idea how popular they have been though.
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My first thoughts on the M21 O/U is that it was just the Inverness platform that is styled to resemble the model 21.
But that is of course a thought based on me not having any knowledge of the internal workings of the gun. Just from handling them.
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As to O/U’s I’m quite satisfied with nice old Belgium Browning Superposed’s , Remington 32’s , Krieghoff K-32’s , Krieghoff K-80’s and last but not least Krieghoff K-20’s .
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The CSMC Model 21 over under is a viable gun, nearly identical to the Inverness, and nearly identical to the Italian gun they were copied from. Another thing that makes Tony's lower priced over unders viable is they do not cost $18,000. Kevin McCormack and I spent a bit of time with the Parker Brothers Makers guns several years ago, and were not impressed. The promoters ignored several very generous offers to take the guns on the road, and apparently never found anyone else to take them on the road.
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I believe the center shotgun in this picture is a prototype Winchester 21 o/u.
Not the best picture. It was taken a few years ago at the Cody Firearms museum.
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