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The one with the dog with bird in his mouth. That is the 1 frame style. And the plate will have a number 1 on the back of it.
Bear in mind that if your stock has been altered at all for that pad, an original style plate will likely not be able to be fitted.
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The original poster was asking about a period (1891-1895) which was covered by the one you are showing for only a short while in 1891, and was then superseded, mid year 1891, by the one which I described as looking more like a Labrador than a setter (without bird-in-mouth). See pages 42-43 of the serialization book, and page 103 of TPS.
It is my understanding, from a discussion with a few old timers, not unknown to the Parker community, that the numbers which appear on the back of butt plates refers to an approximate Butt size, not a frame size. This seems to make sense when you examine a butt plate on an '0' frame 16 gauge, having a '1' on it, and compare it to a butt plate on an '0' frame 20 gauge. |
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03-10-2015, 04:09 PM
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Even though maybe 90% of #1 frame guns in the early years wore the "Bird dog with snipe in mouth" buttplate, Edgar is right about butt size. The number on the back of the buttplate and the art work on the face of the buttplate depends on the size of the back of the stock, rather than the frame size of the gun. There are many #1 frame guns that have the 0 frame buttstock size and the 0 frame buttplate with the "puppy" logo and the "0" on the back of the buttplate. There are also some 0 frame guns with the "Bird dog with snipe" buttplate with the #1 on the back side. To carry this paradox to the extreme, my .410 VHE Skeet has a full size #1 stock. Imagine that.
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03-10-2015, 04:31 PM
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There are plates marked "0", "1" and "2". And that roughly corresponds to the frame size of the gun in standard ways of speaking. IE: 0 frame 20g, 1 frame 16g/12g. and 2 frame 12g.
Yes, there are the examples of 0 frame 16g. situation where the standard size 1 plate is used. Edgar, In referring to the pages in TPS and the Serialization book that you mention, I am not sure which of the two plates you are mentioning. The one with side profile of dogs head or the one with 3/4 profile of the dogs head. But, I have not seen either of those particular plates on any other guns than larger framed guns. I think you may mean the one pictured in Figure D-11 on pg. 43 of the serialization book. And that plate was used on 3 frame and larger guns.
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03-10-2015, 06:56 PM
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Brian, I think I'll have to concede the #3 frame issue with the Labrador plate, as I've just discovered a 30" hammer 12 I have is not, as I had always assumed a 2 frame, but a 3 frame.
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The smallest butted gun I own, including 28s and .410, is a 12 gauge 1/2 frame gun with a skeleton butt. It would have been equipped with the "puppy logo" #0 buttplate if it were equipped with the "rub her butt".
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