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Good point John -
I'll qualify my statement by saying that I only shoot RST shells or my own low-pressure reloads, according to the published load data by the powder manufacturer. We don't all have easy access to the ammo recommended by the gun manufacturer and certainly not many of us have the original hang tags or the loads our particular gun was tested/patterned/proofed with so we need to practice common sense. Brother Bruce Day has access to Parker Brothers load recommendations and posts it up here for us from time to time. Myself not being an open-country bird hunter (pheasant, sharptail, prarie chicken) or a waterfowl hunter, I opt for somewhat lighter loads for my type of hunting and clays shooting. .
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03-18-2020, 01:38 PM | #14 | ||||||
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The barrels are the first concern then the wood. That stock is also 100 +/- years old. Unlike some here I don't advocate Wally World shells especially do to the stock concerns. IF I shoot factory ammo it's low pressure and light loads. I don't need an 1 1/8 th or even 1 oz load of shot to kill a bird or break a target. If your on your on and have gone mostly to 3/4 oz loads.
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03-18-2020, 02:28 PM | #15 | |||||||
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I probably err on the more conservative side on the loads I shoot, but generally shoot the "standard" loads of shot for the gauge...with any exceptions made for any gun based on my (probably very unsophisticated) assessment -- and the game I'm shooting (at!).
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03-18-2020, 02:52 PM | #16 | ||||||
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What is my biggest concern----how am I going to pay for and justify this beautiful gin (gun)!!
Seriously, barrels are number one and thin barrels make me real nervous, I follow Dr. Drew's recommendations, second is serious wood issues because if it needs work it can get expensive in a real hurry. I reload and keep pressures and payloads in line with what the gun was designed to shoot, kinda the common sense approach, I have grown to like my fingers and eyes. |
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03-18-2020, 03:12 PM | #17 | ||||||
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[QUOTE=Craig Larter;296869]What is my biggest concern----how am I going to pay for and justify this beautiful gin!!
LOLLLL.....even I may be taking to the GIN if this sh#$ continues!!!!
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03-18-2020, 04:39 PM | #18 | ||||||
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We now have excellent data as to the pressures generated by the turn-of-the-century loads that were recommended by Parker Bros. and the other double gun makers
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...UOZEFU/preview Scroll down about 1/3 for Parker's proof testing protocol A DuPont Ballistic Table was published in Parker Brothers' “The Small Bore Shotgun” c. 1920 http://parkerguns.org/pages/PDF%20Do...%20Shotgun.pdf It is clear that this table converts Long Tons to PSI simply by multiplying by 2240; NOT using Burrard’s conversion Numbers require adding 10 - 14% for modern piezo transducer pressures. 12 gauge 3 Dr. Eq. 1 1/8 oz. = 8,110 psi 3 1/4 Dr. Eq. 1 1/8 oz. = 8,960 psi 3 1/2 Dr. Eq. 1 1/4 oz. = 9,900 psi 16 gauge 2 3/4 Dr. Eq. 7/8 oz. = 7,035 psi 3 Dr. Eq. 1 oz. = 8,980 psi 20 gauge 2 1/2 Dr. Eq. 7/8 oz. = 12,655 psi Pretty easy to match those numbers with factory loads today...NOT that 1 1/4 oz. 3 1/2 Dr.Eq. would be a good idea for 100 year old wood. We also know from published pressure-distance curves that the pressure with modern 1 1/8 oz 1200 fps loads after 18" is < 500 psi OTOH I am increasingly convinced that there are VERY few vintage doubles with unmolested barrels and that "should be safe with light loads" is very dangerous advice
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03-18-2020, 05:16 PM | #19 | ||||||
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Barrels , but I tend to not get overly intrested about guns that were made BEFORE they started making a radius cut between the breechface and water table . Plenty people shoot the earlier ones with squared corner , I just prefer radiused .
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I tend to worry more about the big factory loads in regards to the recoil and the wood. I have had more issues with older stocks cracking in different places than barrel issues. I try to keep loads around 1200 fps with moderate size loads which produce less recoil.
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