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Unread 08-09-2019, 12:13 PM   #21
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That vent rib doesnt look this one which im assuming is a actual Parker bros vent rib . The fit on this one is alot nicer and about 7k less .
Yes, that is a factory rib that you posted a picture of. BUT... it is a gun that had a VR from inception. Not a converted VR.

Factory original VR guns have a high flat topped frame. Vs. standard ribbed guns have a concave frame at the rib extension. This is immediate indication as to if a gun had a VR from the day it was ordered and build.

Now... guns could have been converted to VR at the factory on a return for work. In this case, a VR is installed in the normal manner, but the flat ramp has to be blended into the concave rib extension. It always results in a little bit of a funky transition, but factory done work, either by Meriden or Remington is pretty well done and clean.

Major ways of verifying that the VR conversion as factory done is the construction of the rib, the matting the makers mark which will be hand engraved only in the proper style.

The subject gun that started they thread WAS converted to VR at some time and it is NOT a factory work using factory parts. It also was a SST to DT conversion and I also question the originality of the buttstock. The checkering at least is not original. But the grip and comb are off looking to me.
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Unread 08-09-2019, 12:41 PM   #22
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Attached are examples of what Brian is speaking of. Note the high flat top on the first 2 guns, both B grades with factory VR's. The 3rd picture is that of what is believed to be a factory conversion of a SR to a VR. Note the concave area and how the dolls head has been sculpted out to blend it in.
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That vent rib doesnt look this one which im assuming is a actual Parker bros vent rib . The fit on this one is alot nicer and about 7k less .
I agree but a 34" gun is much rarer than a 32" 12 gauge. I think both those guns are overpriced but you aren't going to see many 34" grade 3 Parkers on the market.
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Attached are examples of what Brian is speaking of. Note the high flat top on the first 2 guns, both B grades with factory VR's. The 3rd picture is that of what is believed to be a factory conversion of a SR to a VR. Note the concave area and how the dolls head has been sculpted out to blend it in.
Nice Parkers Randy!
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I agree but a 34" gun is much rarer than a 32" 12 gauge. I think both those guns are overpriced but you aren't going to see many 34" grade 3 Parkers on the market.
That is true , 34" barrels do seem to be rare . I have seen a few 32" Parker 12 ga hammerless guns .
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Attached are examples of what Brian is speaking of. Note the high flat top on the first 2 guns, both B grades with factory VR's. The 3rd picture is that of what is believed to be a factory conversion of a SR to a VR. Note the concave area and how the dolls head has been sculpted out to blend it in.
That is a beautiful sxs !
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Odd to me that in terms of 12 gauge production the VH with Vulcan steel tubes outnumbers the DH Titanic's by some 8 - 1 roughly yet there are substantially more 34" DH guns recorded, nearly 22% more than the VH ??
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I know where there is a 34 DHE restored by Batchelder's thats a nice gun with a straight grip F/F for less than half the cost of this gun. I have several factory vent rib guns and they don't look like this. I have had 30 inch guns and a 32 incher choked IC/F from the factory. Long barrels should equal tight chokes.
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Too bad the chokes are open. Otherwise, that would make a sweeeet clays gun. Since nothing is original, put Brileys in it and have a Parker target crushing machine!
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Turnbulls may have done the casecolors on that Parker. The vent rib and buttstock have been covered. The lack of mullered borders, the early style receiver with a vent rib, floor plate doen't fit the wood correctly under the trigger guard, floor plate screws are not qualified or flush, forend wood has been replaced with what appears black walnut, color of wood on the buttstock doesn't match forend, finishes front to rear on the wood don't match. Preservation was no factor in restoring this gun but profit was.
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