Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums  

Go Back   Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums Non-Parker Specific & General Discussions Damascus Barrels & Steel

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Damascus colors
Old 08-18-2014, 07:18 PM   #1
Member
Brad Bachelder
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 280
Thanks: 164
Thanked 1,591 Times in 185 Posts

Default Damascus colors

The age old name used for the process is "browning".The ultimate color is dependent on the use of live steam for conversion from brown to black. Steam converts brown ferric oxide color to ferro-ferric black. In all of the accounts that I have read about the "Parker browning process", the steam room was used for conversion. Live wet and dry steam is the best converter to accomplish the correct contrast and color for a black and white finish.
In time black and white will somewhat brown as ferric is more stable than ferro-ferric, but is still black and white.
It is my belief that all Parker composite barrels were finished in black and white.

Brad
Brad Bachelder is offline   Reply With Quote
Visit Brad Bachelder's homepage!
Old 08-18-2014, 08:39 PM   #2
Member
wayne goerres
Forum Associate

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,982
Thanks: 2
Thanked 543 Times in 350 Posts

Default

This may be a dumb question but what is live wet and dry steam.
wayne goerres is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to wayne goerres For Your Post:
Old 08-19-2014, 07:57 AM   #3
Member
Brad Bachelder
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 280
Thanks: 164
Thanked 1,591 Times in 185 Posts

Default

Wayne

Live steam is generated by a boiler. Wet or dry refers to the degree of humidity in a room or a cabinet. In the conversion step of the process the level of humidity and temperature are critical to convert without rusting. If the steam causes red rust, the humidity is too high or the temperature is too low. It is a delicate balance.

Brad
Brad Bachelder is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 5 Users Say Thank You to Brad Bachelder For Your Post:
Visit Brad Bachelder's homepage!
Old 08-19-2014, 09:23 AM   #4
Member
wayne goerres
Forum Associate

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,982
Thanks: 2
Thanked 543 Times in 350 Posts

Default

Thank you for the explanation Brad. I would like to see this proses.
wayne goerres is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2014, 08:59 PM   #5
Member
jsd245
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 105
Thanks: 27
Thanked 71 Times in 26 Posts

Default

Brad- when you talk about the steam, is that during the rusting process or the conversion of the brown to black? I always saw this described as "boiling", and assume true barrels were placed in boiling water.

I will say that the look of those browned Damascus barrels in the thread about the G grade are pretty cool looking.
Jeff Davis is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Jeff Davis For Your Post:
Old 08-20-2014, 08:33 AM   #6
Member
Brad Bachelder
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 280
Thanks: 164
Thanked 1,591 Times in 185 Posts

Default

Jeff

In finishing Damascus boiling is only done at the point of final contrast. This step is actually dying the black and fixing the color. The conversion from brown to black is very gradual. The brown color is only part of the recipe.
It is very easy accomplish basic contrast with heat and various rusting agents.The deep, bold contrast as done by the factories is much more complicated than simply applying a rusting agent and boiling.
Both Angier and Gaddy understood that composite barrels were finished to black and white.
I have had the opportunity to see countless high original condition Doubles. I have never seen any Double with composite barrels finished to brown or plum color by the makers.

Brad
Brad Bachelder is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 11 Users Say Thank You to Brad Bachelder For Your Post:
Visit Brad Bachelder's homepage!
Old 08-20-2014, 10:04 AM   #7
Member
Hammer Gun
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Gary Carmichael Sr's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,678
Thanks: 1,587
Thanked 5,025 Times in 1,013 Posts

Default

Brad, While photographing some guns this weekend I ran across a gun with Plain Steel barrels, it is a 4 digit ser number gun but these are not composite barrels they are steel barrels and they look blued or black . Are these early barrels made from rifle stock that was left over from the government contracts Parker had during the Civil War? I have not run across these barrels before! Looks like they would have to be blued rather than the damascus process, your thoughts please, Gary
Gary Carmichael Sr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2014, 10:41 AM   #8
Member
Brad Bachelder
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 280
Thanks: 164
Thanked 1,591 Times in 185 Posts

Default

Gary

I have also seen early steel barrels, but only on three occasions. I have allways agreed with the account in the book. In refinishing they respond similar to Remington decarborized Steel. Very soft material.

Brad
Brad Bachelder is offline   Reply With Quote
Visit Brad Bachelder's homepage!
Old 08-20-2014, 11:16 AM   #9
Member
charlie cleveland
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 8,647
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3,630 Times in 1,972 Posts

Default

i have 2 of these old guns marked plain steel one of these old guns is in fair shape i would say the barrels were blued..a dark blue almost black...charlie
charlie cleveland is offline   Reply With Quote
Plain Steel
Old 08-20-2014, 11:20 AM   #10
Member
Hammer Gun
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Gary Carmichael Sr's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,678
Thanks: 1,587
Thanked 5,025 Times in 1,013 Posts

Default Plain Steel

Brad here are photos I took this morning, not very good but you can see the unusual markings on the barrel flats along with the order number, Gary
Attached Images
File Type: jpg DSCN1761.jpg (523.7 KB, 8 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN1762.jpg (506.5 KB, 4 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN1764.jpg (506.5 KB, 6 views)
File Type: jpg DSCN1766.jpg (520.8 KB, 3 views)
Gary Carmichael Sr is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Gary Carmichael Sr For Your Post:
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:06 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 1998 - 2017, Parkerguns.org
Copyright 2004 Design par Megatekno
- 2008 style update 3.7 avec l'autorisation de son auteur par Stradfred.