Is the market softening?

[Andy]

I am seeing more ammo, powder and supplies on shelves and on line lately, FAR more than in the past few years. Anyone else noticing this? It's not cheap, but I'm finding stuff. I think it's the economy and costs of other things going up? Kind of like choose between heating your home and getting primers. NEW guns seem to be ticking down as I watch buy it now prices on GB. I have not, however, seen prices tick down on Parkers and other vintage firearms that interest us? Any thoughts on this? I'll give you an example. A year ago I was looking at a Citori Gran Lightning in 16g, new, all were over $4,000. Now there are any number of them available NIB for under $3,000.

[Reggie B]

The economy is cyclical. It always has been and always will be. The Feds keep it that way in part by lowering and raising the cost of borrowing funds which impacts the housing market which is one of the major market influencers. So generally you ride the waves, try to buy low and sell high. Its a game for sure.

[Craig Larter]

12 ga is readily available in my area for $80 per case. Winchester and Remington primer are non-existent. No improvement in shotgun powders from Hodgdon and Alliant. No Remington made wads. No hulls except Cheddite. RST supply is still very spotty. No 410 or 28ga ammo. So from my standpoint the supply situation still has a long way to go.
High condition collectable guns seem strong. It's hard to time the gun market.

[JLoew]

Collectible Parkers are as strong as I have ever seen them. Ammo does appear to be normalizing in some ways.

[ArtS]

I haven't been buying ammo so can't really speak to that. I have bid on a LOT of guns in the last few months, and frnkly not bought nearly as many as I thought I would. Purchase prices across the board, cheap to rare, seem to be at ridiculous levels above a year ago.

[Andy]

I have seen some limited .410, but lots of 28g, Remington primers and both Hodgdon and Alliant powders, but not always what I'd choose to use. The Remington primers were $110 per thousand, but there was no limit and a shelf full, as well as Fiochhi and Cheddite primers. I didn't say things have normalized, I just didn't see nearly as much product one year ago. I can find Nitro, BP, Gun Club, Fiocchi SD, Estates, Sterling...et all in 12g easily. 16g shells are the purple unicorn.

[Harry Gietler]

GUNS ARE WAY TO CHEAP TODAY, in comparision to all the ''SKY HIGH PRICES''
for food, gas, lumber and Trucks & Cars. In 1958 my Dad bought a ''New''
Chevy Pickup'' $1500 Bucks, a M-12 Win., $109. Today a new truck-$60,000
a M-12, $450, IF the gun went up equal percent to the truck, it would be
$4,360. And that hold's for all other guns to.

Harry

[6pt-Sika]

You need to clarify ! Normal for three years ago or normal for now ? As to normal for three years ago I doubt that’s seen again . I mean WIN 209’s we’re $145 a sleeve of 5,000 and Chedderights were about $90-100 for 5,000 . If the Cheddercheese primers ever get below $200 for 5,000 again I’ll be quite surprised .

[Andy]

Originally Posted by CraigThompson

You need to clarify ! Normal for three years ago or normal for now ? As to normal for three years ago I doubt that’s seen again . I mean WIN 209’s we’re $145 a sleeve of 5,000 and Chedderights were about $90-100 for 5,000 . If the Cheddercheese primers ever get below $200 for 5,000 again I’ll be quite surprised .

"Past few years" is what I said, that should be clarification enough. If I tried to go buy a few flats of 12g for sporting over the past few years, no way near me unless I was very lucky to stumble across it. Now I can get 50 flats today if I want. ie Top Gun practice ammo was $119 a flat WHEN I saw it a year ago, same with Fiocchi, now both are under $100. RST and specialty shells no.

[Hammer Gun]

Seems as though Auction prices are as high as ever, Most items selling at the high estimate or beyond, I have bid in the last 4 premiere auctions that Rock Island had and did not win anything, Maybe they jack the estimates up to attract bidders, Josh would know, be interesting to find out, Gary