Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums  

Go Back   Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums Announcement, Help & Introduction Forums New User Introductions

Notices

Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
New member from Wisconsin - Barrel marking questions
Unread 04-14-2019, 05:55 PM   #1
Member
John Fritzke
Forum Associate

Member Info
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 4
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post

Default New member from Wisconsin - Barrel marking questions

Hi all,

I paid my dues a few weeks ago and already had my first Parker lettered. It's a VH, 1 1/2 frame, 12ga, 28" barrels, made in 1915. I've been able to decipher most of the barrel markings including grade, frame size, barrel weight (3lbs 8oz), but I'm confused by the rest.

What does the C next to 1 1/2 represent?

How about the small HT on the flats?

I assume the circled V on the flats and the V between the lugs indicate the grade.

What does the circled JG stand for? Finally, what about the cursive letter next to JG? It could be a V, but I'm not sure. I'm guessing at least one of the above is a proof mark, but I'm not sure which.

Otherwise, the gun seems to be in pretty good shape. The case hardening color has worn off everywhere but on the water table and under the opening lever. There's no rust that I can find, and the barrel bluing is maybe 50% remaining?

Thanks for your help in advance!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg IMG_20190327_141445.jpg (476.7 KB, 10 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_20190327_141417.jpg (473.8 KB, 16 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_20190327_141402.jpg (490.6 KB, 9 views)
File Type: jpg IMG_20190327_124128.jpg (519.1 KB, 10 views)
John Fritzke is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to John Fritzke For Your Post:
Unread 04-14-2019, 06:58 PM   #2
Member
Dean Romig
PGCA Invincible
Life Member
 
Dean Romig's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 31,558
Thanks: 35,431
Thanked 33,040 Times in 12,321 Posts

Default

Not a bad gun at all for your "first" Parker.... (there will be more)

The V represents Vulcan Steel barrels. It is a Grade-0

The JG is the mark of James Geary barrel maker for Parker Bros.

The HT is believed by some to represent Heat Treated and Annealed meaning the barrels.

The frame size is 1-1/2

The "C" on the lug looks more to me like an incomplete 0 but that wouldn't make any sense any more than a C in that location.

The "cursive letter" next to the JG looks to be the 'ampersand' we see on later Remington guns which is one of the "unknown" markings.





.
__________________
"I'm a Setter man.
Not because I think they're better than the other breeds,
but because I'm a romantic - stuck on tradition - and to me, a Setter just "belongs" in the grouse picture."

George King, "That's Ruff", 2010 - a timeless classic.
Dean Romig is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 04-14-2019, 09:01 PM   #3
Member
Randy Roberts
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Randy G Roberts's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 2,886
Thanks: 4,415
Thanked 5,603 Times in 1,842 Posts

Default

Hey Dean the HT is there but no A. Late Friday or ???
Randy G Roberts is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 04-14-2019, 09:09 PM   #4
Member
John Fritzke
Forum Associate

Member Info
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 4
Thanks: 0
Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dean Romig View Post
Not a bad gun at all for your "first" Parker.... (there will be more)

The V represents Vulcan Steel barrels. It is a Grade-0

The JG is the mark of James Geary barrel maker for Parker Bros.

The HT is believed by some to represent Heat Treated and Annealed meaning the barrels.

The frame size is 1-1/2

The "C" on the lug looks more to me like an incomplete 0 but that wouldn't make any sense any more than a C in that location.

The "cursive letter" next to the JG looks to be the 'ampersand' we see on later Remington guns which is one of the "unknown" markings.


.
Thanks, Dean!

I'm by no means an expert, but the possible ampersand confuses me because the serial number (171xxx) puts it in 1915 or 1916, which I'm thinking is before the Remington era. Was it possibly added during a repair in the 30s or 40s? Either way, I'll try to get a good closeup photo and repost.

As far as "first" Parkers... I'm already bidding on a "second".
John Fritzke is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 04-14-2019, 09:15 PM   #5
Member
winplumber
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,630
Thanks: 1,756
Thanked 631 Times in 402 Posts

Default

Nice honest looking gun enjoy it !
Steve Huffman is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 04-14-2019, 09:46 PM   #6
Member
Dean Romig
PGCA Invincible
Life Member
 
Dean Romig's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 31,558
Thanks: 35,431
Thanked 33,040 Times in 12,321 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by John Fritzke View Post
Thanks, Dean!

I'm by no means an expert, but the possible ampersand confuses me because the serial number (171xxx) puts it in 1915 or 1916, which I'm thinking is before the Remington era. Was it possibly added during a repair in the 30s or 40s? Either way, I'll try to get a good closeup photo and repost.

As far as "first" Parkers... I'm already bidding on a "second".
There are a few stamps that present more questions than answers.

I don’t see a Remington repair code so I don’t think the answer lies there.





.
__________________
"I'm a Setter man.
Not because I think they're better than the other breeds,
but because I'm a romantic - stuck on tradition - and to me, a Setter just "belongs" in the grouse picture."

George King, "That's Ruff", 2010 - a timeless classic.
Dean Romig is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Dean Romig For Your Post:
Unread 07-12-2020, 09:29 PM   #7
Member
MattHaney
PGCA Lifetime
Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 108
Thanks: 243
Thanked 199 Times in 67 Posts

Default

Here is a 1922 vintage VHE with 3 Remington repair codes and the ampersand (&). I don't know what the "N I" next to the ampersand is. (Sorry, didn't notice this thread is over a year old....)

MattHaney is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-13-2020, 08:06 PM   #8
Member
Researcher
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Dave Noreen's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 3,597
Thanks: 1,616
Thanked 7,772 Times in 2,352 Posts

Default

With the PARKER GUN WORKS OVERLOAD PROVED stamps those are a set of Remington barrels from 1934 or later. Looks to me like DJ 3, WF 3 and XK 3. I would suspect the WF 3, August 1937, was when this set of barrels was fitted. DJ 3, September 1940, and XK 3, December 1941, are for other repairs.
Dave Noreen is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 07-13-2020, 10:16 PM   #9
Member
MattHaney
PGCA Lifetime
Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 108
Thanks: 243
Thanked 199 Times in 67 Posts

Default

That's interesting David. Thank you. That had not occurred to me about the proof stamp being Remington era. This gun is brand new to me, so I'm still learning about it. I read the date codes as: XD3 (1935), WF3 (1937) and DJ3 (1940). I wonder if the gun could have been finished out of sequence as the serial number is 200xxx, supposedly a 1922 number. It could have been re-barreled during the Remington years. I wonder if Remington would have re-proofed and stamped if they did something like lengthen the chambers. I don't have the letter yet, so we'll see what it says.

Mr. Fritzke, I apologize if I took your thread down a rabbit hole.---Matt
MattHaney is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:09 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1998 - 2023, Parkerguns.org
Copyright © 2004 Design par Megatekno
- 2008 style update 3.7 avec l'autorisation de son auteur par Stradfred.