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Unread 03-09-2017, 06:45 PM   #1
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Tired of fooling with 2 3/4 inch 16's and 3/4 oz shot. Sometimes I get good crimps out of fired 2 3/4 inch Cheddites sometimes not. New hulls work fine once fired not as good, fired several times they don't crimp well at all.

Bought a used Mec 600 off eBay going to fit it out with the short kit. May still size and prime on the PW 375 finish up loading on the Mec. Thats what I do now with short 10's half PW half Mec. Buy a bunch of new Cheddite 2 1/2 inch hulls and use data straight out of Hodgdon's manual. They publish a 5700 lb load @ 1100 fps using International and the DR 16 wad.

I don't worry about my 16 Trojan with the 2 3/4's Parker 16 Hammer gun, Twist barrel , 2 3/4 hulls pressure concerns me some, and want to stick with 3/4 oz for low recoil.

Anybody ever look at the latest data they publish on line ? I think the 16 G 3/4 oz loads are new. Or I overlooked them during the powder shortage.

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I reload 2 1/2" RST once-fired cheddites with 7/8 oz. shot. A very nice load - easy on me and easy on my Parker 16's.






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Besides the RST's, I have cut down 500 Herters/cheddite hulls to 2 1/2". A lot of my friends shoot them and toss them, so I have plenty of them. Hardly ever load anything over 7/8 oz anymore. I use Universal and 7625 with the SG 16 wad for 7/8 oz. I have been shooting mostly 3/4 oz in the 16 at clays this winter and they work great. I have been using International and the DR16 wad for the 3/4 oz. Either load great for grouse and woodcock also, and had no problems with 7/8 loads of #6, or 7's on pointed pheasants.
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My 7/8 loads in Cheddite's with the DR 16 are near perfect. Think I will continue to load them for hunting and the Trojan. It's the Hammer 16 that I want to load 3/4 oz & will switch to 2 1/2.

Other thing is the powder, started with light 16's during the powder shortage & only had Green Dot and Unique on hand. GD works ok, using a load off the 16 g Forum spread sheets, burns dirty though

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Most of my Parker 16's are hammer guns and I shoot 7/8 oz. loads in all of them, why would you want to use only 3/4 oz. loads in yours?





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Check your 600 my 10 gauge 600 had another screw to raise the table,I had to get a new shorter Deprimer mounting tube. Did not need the short kit.
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I put a short kit on my Mec 600 jr, and rarely take it off. Dean, I have been loading 3/4 oz mainly to get rid of some of my stock of wads and powder. I find that the DR16 wad does not work well in the 2 1/2' shell when loading 7/8 oz, the SG16 wad however works great. Since I have a bunch of International and the DR16 wads, I use them for the 3/4 loads--I really dontsee any difference in my scores at SC, and of course the recoil is non-existant, so great for our O frame 16's and damascus guns.
I do prefer the 7/8 oz loads, but will continue to shoot 3/4 just to get rid of some stock.
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Guess it depends on how you see a 16, light 12 or a heavy 20. For targets 3/4 is easier on the stock and plenty of shot in a tight choked gun to break clay clay targets at moderate distances . Birds another thing You need to kill clean.

Other day patterned my Berretta O/U with Lt Mod tubes that usually runs 1 oz Factory 1200 fps with 7/8 oz 1150 fps 12 G reloads intended for Parkers. Looking at the paper can't see any reason to use 1 oz over 7/8 to 35 yards. Longer 1 oz and Modfied choke tubes better for sure.

The DR 16 is perfect for 7/8 in 2 3/4 hulls. Bit long for 7/8 in 2 1/2

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eBay 600 came & short kit from Mec too. Set it up this weekend. Cut once fired Herters hulls to 2 9/16 inch. 16 grs Hodgdon Intl. D 16 wad 3/4 oz # 8.. Near perfect short shell with one problem.

Cutting down the hull little bit of the origionsl 6 pt fold left about 1/16 inch. The Mec Spindex crimper won't pre crimp properly. Result is a crushed final crimp. Solved it by pre crimping on my PW 375 which pre crimps perfectly. I am aligning the little remaining crimp with the steel fingers on the PW pre crimper. (Shell die out hull sitting on a spacer in the die holder)

Then over to the Mec for final crimp, looks good as factory. I have another 600 set up for short 10s and the Spindex works fine on it.

Not much can be done to the Mec pre crimper no adjustments. Any ideas what is gong wrong ? Seems to me I read Mec 16 Spindex has some issues.

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Hold on, ! the Spindex can be adjusted. My 10 did not need adjusting and never looked carefully. All I had to do is run the 16 down on the shaft.

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