Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums  

Go Back   Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums Non-Parker Specific & General Discussions General Discussions about Other Fine Doubles

Notices

Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
Pre NID ithacas
Unread 01-23-2021, 04:17 PM   #1
Member
Scott Barter
Forum Associate

Member Info
 
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 24
Thanks: 2
Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts

Default Pre NID ithacas

Question. My understanding that the NID Ithaca’s , starting around 1925
Or so were built with a lot of improvements. Question is about the pre NID specimens. Still a great upland gun? Better or worse than the NIDs?
Thanks in advance!
Scott Barter is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 01-23-2021, 04:35 PM   #2
Member
OH Osthaus
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Rick Losey's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 7,230
Thanks: 1,313
Thanked 6,936 Times in 2,890 Posts

Default

the NID is a solid gun built for modern loads

the previous designs, up to the preceding Flues model were not

having said that- in good condition the earlier guns are great with light loads - I really like my 20ga flues for upland hunting

but day in/day out the NID is a better design - I have had a couple - still have one - a
Super 10

and IMHO - few beat the Ithaca engraving on a graded gun-
__________________
"If there is a heaven it must have thinning aspen gold, and flighting woodcock, and a bird dog" GBE
Rick Losey is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Rick Losey For Your Post:
Unread 01-23-2021, 09:06 PM   #3
Member
Chris Robenalt
PGCA Member
 
Chris Robenalt's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 276
Thanks: 737
Thanked 682 Times in 158 Posts

Default

I have an early 4E 20 and a 1 1/2 grade 28. Both Flues with 2 1/2" chambers. I load light and have had no problems with either. Im more fond of the Flues.
Chris, AZ
Chris Robenalt is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 01-24-2021, 10:54 AM   #4
Member
Scott Barter
Forum Associate

Member Info
 
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 24
Thanks: 2
Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts

Default

Thanks for the replies
Scott Barter is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 01-24-2021, 12:00 PM   #5
Member
B. Dudley
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Brian Dudley's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 8,823
Thanks: 390
Thanked 12,202 Times in 3,455 Posts

Default

I guess which one specifically are you talking about? Ithaca had 5 different designs of hammerless doubles including the NID. A few more if you want to add the Lefever and western arms variants too.

Each one was a completely different design from the others. The NID was the last one. It was the strongest by far. It was basically a design that borrowed from the best parts of other makers and meshed them together into one design. And this is how they advertised it too.

The flues, which was the design before the NID was made for the longest time period and was the simplest design of them all. But it got a bad reputation over the years due to the frames cracking and the breech balls failing. The guns were built to be very lightweight and when people used hotter loads than intended, bad things can happen. Of course the issues always root from user error, not the actual design. The frames on the flues were beefed up some in the later years, but the damage had been done as far as the opinion of them. In my opinion, the earlier flues and prior versions were much more finely finished than any NID ever was. Especially in the higher grades.
__________________
B. Dudley
Brian Dudley is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to Brian Dudley For Your Post:
Visit Brian Dudley's homepage!
Unread 01-25-2021, 09:11 AM   #6
Member
mobirdhunter
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Garry L Gordon's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 2,027
Thanks: 5,816
Thanked 3,389 Times in 1,200 Posts

Default

I agree with Brian on the early Flues models. The engraving was especially well done, and for the various grades, the wood was often stunning. If you want a light upland gun, an early Flues is more than likely to suit your wants.
__________________
“Every day I wonder how many things I am dead wrong about.”
― Jim Harrison
"'I promise you,' he said, 'on my word of honor, I won't die on the opening of the bird season.'" -- Robert Ruark (from The Old Man and the Boy)
Garry L Gordon is offline   Reply With Quote
NID Invoice
Unread 01-25-2021, 10:03 AM   #7
Member
Randy Roberts
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Randy G Roberts's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,673
Thanks: 2,172
Thanked 2,472 Times in 942 Posts

Default NID Invoice

I to have always been a fan of the NID. Factory 2 barrel sets are rare. I came across this NID 20 gauge some years ago with 26 & 28 inch tubes with another uncommon feature, a straight grip. I always got a little laugh out of the invoice which states "Del. at factory to Miss A. D. Osborn". Apparently it was made for her as it has her initials in the stock oval. Note that the extra set of barrels was a staggering $49.88, sounds like a small enough premium but it was roughly half the price of the base gun.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg NID Invoice.jpg (278.6 KB, 9 views)
Randy G Roberts is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following 10 Users Say Thank You to Randy G Roberts For Your Post:
Unread 01-25-2021, 11:13 AM   #8
Member
Joe from MO
PGCA Member
 
Joseph Sheerin's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: May 2020
Posts: 282
Thanks: 250
Thanked 289 Times in 118 Posts

Default

Ithaca NID's have always been some of my favorite shotguns, as it's nice to have a couple of SxS's you don't have to baby as much ammo wise...... I still own two of them, a 16ga GrII and a 12ga Field. It seems there are always those who favor one over the other Flues vs NID's.... I guess it's sort of like favorite colors... Not everyone's favorite color is blue....

Both of mine have 2 3/4 chambers, and can handle most modern loads in reasonable range. No steel, or heavy high velocity loads.
__________________
The only reason I ever played golf in the first place was so I could afford to hunt and fish. - Sam Snead
Joseph Sheerin is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 01-25-2021, 12:08 PM   #9
Member
Researcher
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Dave Noreen's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 2,515
Thanks: 888
Thanked 4,696 Times in 1,498 Posts

Default

Interesting that ten years into the NID era, the Ithaca Gun Co. was using up invoices that still pictures the Flues lock at the top. Looking through some other pics of invoices I have I find this style earlier --

457552 21.jpg

the style with the Flues lock on another invoice from 1938, and then this style in 1942 --

Oct. 17-1942.jpg

That gun would look nice in my gunroom. My NIDs in .410-bore, 28-gauge, 16-gauge and 12-gauge are all 26-inch barrel guns and sticking up right in the middle of that row is my 20-gauge No. 4E with 30-inch barrels.

As to the OPs original question the engraving on the early higher grade Ithacas, prior to the 1915 introduction of the bolder McGraw style, was some of the best.
Dave Noreen is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Dave Noreen For Your Post:
Unread 01-25-2021, 01:47 PM   #10
Member
mobirdhunter
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Garry L Gordon's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 2,027
Thanks: 5,816
Thanked 3,389 Times in 1,200 Posts

Default

So, Randy, no pictures of the gun? It sounds like like a really nice one.
__________________
“Every day I wonder how many things I am dead wrong about.”
― Jim Harrison
"'I promise you,' he said, 'on my word of honor, I won't die on the opening of the bird season.'" -- Robert Ruark (from The Old Man and the Boy)
Garry L Gordon is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:37 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1998 - 2021, Parkerguns.org
Copyright © 2004 Design par Megatekno
- 2008 style update 3.7 avec l'autorisation de son auteur par Stradfred.