Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums  

Go Back   Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums Parker Forums Parker Reproductions

Notices

Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
Info From the Experts
Unread 12-08-2017, 10:44 AM   #1
Member
Gary Laudermilch
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,327
Thanks: 3,037
Thanked 2,099 Times in 673 Posts

Default Info From the Experts

I am familiar with the Q1/2 choke restrictions on repro 20's but not so much on 12's. For some unknown reason I am considering the purchase of repro 12 with Q chokes. So, from those of you in the know, what amount of constriction might I expect to see.
Gary Laudermilch is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 12-08-2017, 03:11 PM   #2
Member
SXS OHIO
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,614
Thanks: 529
Thanked 1,888 Times in 533 Posts

Default

.004/.006 seems the norm... will be 26" barrels, few in any 28" barrel guns are out there in Q1/Q2 SXS Ohio
Kenny Graft is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Kenny Graft For Your Post:
Unread 12-08-2017, 10:27 PM   #3
Member
Dean Romig
PGCA Invincible
Life Member
 
Dean Romig's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 31,557
Thanks: 35,430
Thanked 33,039 Times in 12,321 Posts

Default

.004" and .007" are the Q1 & Q2 chokes on my 28 gauge and I would expect a 12 gauge with those choke designations would have a few more thousandths of constriction than a 28 gauge would have.





.
__________________
"I'm a Setter man.
Not because I think they're better than the other breeds,
but because I'm a romantic - stuck on tradition - and to me, a Setter just "belongs" in the grouse picture."

George King, "That's Ruff", 2010 - a timeless classic.
Dean Romig is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Dean Romig For Your Post:
Unread 12-09-2017, 10:43 AM   #4
Member
Bob Jurewicz
PGCA Member
 
Bob Jurewicz's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,449
Thanks: 1,504
Thanked 1,920 Times in 554 Posts

Default

Dean,
Actually they seem to have made all Q1/Q2 choking similar constriction regardless of gauge. I have had 12, 28 and 16 Ga guns with this choking and they were all around
3/6.
Bob Jurewicz
Bob Jurewicz is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Bob Jurewicz For Your Post:
Unread 12-09-2017, 10:45 AM   #5
Member
Gary Laudermilch
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,327
Thanks: 3,037
Thanked 2,099 Times in 673 Posts

Default

Thanks for the replies. My 20 ga are .004 & .009. About what I think they should be for skt 1 & 2 chokes for either 12 or 20. What really spurned my request were some info on 12 ga IC/M numbers at .006 & .010 which are not in line with their designation. So, I am a bit confused as to which I want to pursue.

No problem with 26" barrels. I see no difference between 26 & 28 in use and I am not at all a fan of long barrels.
Gary Laudermilch is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 12-09-2017, 11:15 AM   #6
Member
MD*GSP
PGCA Member
 
Scot Cardillo's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 606
Thanks: 1,046
Thanked 566 Times in 224 Posts

Default

Gary - can't help with the actual Q1/Q2 constriction on a 12ga Reproduction (bc I haven't got one) however, I can share that my standard 12ga IC/MOD is constricted .006/.010

The constriction (IC/MOD) on my 12ga SSS's are .008/.012

16ga - IC/MOD = .011/.017

26" barrels? I agree w/you - no discernible difference to me.
Scot Cardillo is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Scot Cardillo For Your Post:
Unread 12-09-2017, 03:14 PM   #7
Member
Southpaw
Forum Associate

Member Info
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 653
Thanks: 634
Thanked 275 Times in 197 Posts

Default

I have two other modern sxs in 20 and 28 ga that have 26 inch barrels. My Parker 16 VH has 28 inch barrels. Overall length of guns compared to each has the Parker just slightly longer, maybe an inch or less. To me in the field or range it is hardly discernible,because in tight cover its overall length and not just barrel length that matters to me. The stock on newer guns is a bit longer and Parker stock is a bit shorter, so it balances the OAL some. All the guns balance between the hands very well, though the 28 is so much lighter that it can feel whippy after handling other guns but man can you move it quickly. Shooting that 28 compared to shooting the 20 or 16 gauge is like running in hunting boots and then changing to your running shoes it is definitely a spry feeling.

Whether you like a shorter barrel or longer barrel gun, if choked comparably then shot performance is about the same. Between a 26 to 28 does that once or so of weight at the end make a difference of how the gun swings, to some yes, to others maybe not.

This is where I get confused though. Most of the dogma you hear nowadays is that you should never see the sights on a shotgun and focus on the bird/target hence you might stop your swing. Personally a believer of this process; however look at any of Tom Knapps guns and he always had one of his bright front sights on his guns. I don't know if he was just getting paid to endorse/use that product or was a true believer but he used them for years. I guess whatever works for you. Maybe Ole Tom could shoot no matter what was on the front of his gun.
Todd Poer is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 12-09-2017, 03:16 PM   #8
Member
Gary Laudermilch
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 1,327
Thanks: 3,037
Thanked 2,099 Times in 673 Posts

Default

Scot, those 16 ga numbers are about what I think IC/M should be. A bit too tight for me. My first 20 ga repro matched those exactly and it shot wickedly tight. My ideal would be .006 & .012 or a strong skeet and light mod. I'm trying to figure out which will get me the closest and it almost seems I should be looking at a IC/M but I would be bummed if it came in with your 16 ga numbers.

Thanks for the info.
Gary Laudermilch is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Gary Laudermilch For Your Post:
Unread 12-09-2017, 05:07 PM   #9
Member
Big D
PGCA Member
 
John Dallas's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,284
Thanks: 461
Thanked 3,597 Times in 1,550 Posts

Default

Constriction is a function of the amount of "squeeze" from the choke. .005" on a 10 gauge is very different than .005" on a .410
__________________
"Striving to become the man my dog thinks I am"
John Dallas is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to John Dallas For Your Post:
Unread 12-09-2017, 06:27 PM   #10
Member
Wild Skies
PGCA Member
 
Greg Baehman's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,236
Thanks: 1,142
Thanked 3,600 Times in 984 Posts

Default

If I were you Gary, I'd be looking for a high conditioned 12-ga. Repro with 28" bbls. factory choked IC/M which are almost always choked within a thousandths of .006/.011 -- I've yet to see one that varied any more.

You'll get little argument from me regarding any discernable difference of 26" vs. 28" barrels in a hunting gun. Having said that, I prefer a Repro in a 20 or 28 with 26" barrels for hunting. But, I don't care for a 12-ga. with 26" bbls. -- they just look too stubby IMHO. It takes at least 28" of barrel for a 12-ga. to be aesthetically pleasing to my eyes. Additionally, I believe a 28" gun will yield higher dividends down the road if you should ever decide to move it.
__________________
Wild Skies
Since 1951
Greg Baehman is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Greg Baehman For Your Post:
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:22 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1998 - 2023, Parkerguns.org
Copyright © 2004 Design par Megatekno
- 2008 style update 3.7 avec l'autorisation de son auteur par Stradfred.