Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums  

Go Back   Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums Non-Parker Specific & General Discussions Shotgun Shell Reloading

Notices

Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
RIO PRIMERS
Unread 03-17-2021, 09:51 AM   #1
Member
Andy
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 1,848
Thanks: 257
Thanked 2,455 Times in 967 Posts

Default RIO PRIMERS

Just ordered from stock Rio 209's from Precision FYI
__________________
Nothing ruins your Friday like finding out it's only Tuesday
Andrew Sacco is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Andrew Sacco For Your Post:
Unread 03-17-2021, 11:54 AM   #2
Member
Mike of the Mountain
PGCA Lifetime
Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 4,760
Thanks: 15,539
Thanked 8,864 Times in 2,674 Posts

Default

Better than nothing!!
Mike Koneski is offline   Reply With Quote
Visit Mike Koneski's homepage!
Unread 03-17-2021, 12:27 PM   #3
Member
Jeff K.
PGCA Lifetime
Member

Admin

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,388
Thanks: 792
Thanked 2,793 Times in 651 Posts

Default

They are out now.
Jeff Kuss is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03-17-2021, 01:19 PM   #4
Member
Andy
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 1,848
Thanks: 257
Thanked 2,455 Times in 967 Posts

Default

Total newbie stupid question: Are 209 primers interchangeable (other than Cheddites which I know are sized different....). I know some manuals say "DO NOT INTERCHANGE PRIMERS OR YOUR HOO HOO WILL FALL OFF...." But if I'm shooting lead bullets in my 9mm they don't care if they're CCI, Winch or Federal, they go bang and shoot the same. I have 5,000 Cheddites and now 5,000 Rio's on the way (no shot or powder, but hey!!!)
__________________
Nothing ruins your Friday like finding out it's only Tuesday
Andrew Sacco is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03-17-2021, 02:45 PM   #5
Member
Randy Roberts
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
Randy G Roberts's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 2,906
Thanks: 4,456
Thanked 5,657 Times in 1,854 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew Sacco View Post
Total newbie stupid question: Are 209 primers interchangeable (other than Cheddites which I know are sized different....). I know some manuals say "DO NOT INTERCHANGE PRIMERS OR YOUR HOO HOO WILL FALL OFF...." But if I'm shooting lead bullets in my 9mm they don't care if they're CCI, Winch or Federal, they go bang and shoot the same. I have 5,000 Cheddites and now 5,000 Rio's on the way (no shot or powder, but hey!!!)
Andy:

You can go to my local trap club any Tuesday and sit at the round table of knowledge and I can promise you there will be at least a dozen rocket scientist that will tell you any primer will work in any load. My approach is if it is not in the loading manual or has not been tested I am not touching it. I think it was one of Rosters studies that showed an increase of almost 2,000 psi could be achieved by a simple primer interchange. I think it was Roster, others will correct me if I am in error on that.

If your question of interchanging primers was geared more towards size then see the attached chart. Looks to me like once you use a RIO you have eliminated several of the others based upon the diameters.
Attached Images
File Type: png Primer Sizes.PNG (273.6 KB, 4 views)
Randy G Roberts is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03-17-2021, 02:49 PM   #6
Member
John Davis
PGCA Lifetime
Member
 
John Davis's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,832
Thanks: 3,669
Thanked 6,298 Times in 1,235 Posts

Default

Some primers burn hotter than others, so I would say the brand of primer can have a big impact on the recipe.
__________________
"Life is short and you're dead an awful long time." Destry L. Hoffard

"Oh Christ, just shoot the damn thing."
Destry L. Hoffard
John Davis is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03-17-2021, 02:57 PM   #7
Member
Big D
PGCA Member
 
John Dallas's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 4,299
Thanks: 463
Thanked 3,607 Times in 1,555 Posts

Default

Tom Roster has tested various primers side by side. Not much difference in velocity, slightly more in pressures.

http://www.armbrust.acf2.org/primersubs.htm
__________________
"Striving to become the man my dog thinks I am"
John Dallas is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to John Dallas For Your Post:
Unread 03-17-2021, 03:17 PM   #8
Member
Mike of the Mountain
PGCA Lifetime
Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 4,760
Thanks: 15,539
Thanked 8,864 Times in 2,674 Posts

Default

I use Winchester, CCI, Nobel and Fiocchi primers. Cheddite hulls I use Nobel and Fiocchi. Domestic hulls I use Winchester and CCI. I go by primer pocket size only.

BTW, they are out of Rio primers now because Andy had to post that they had 209 primers. Way to go Andy!!
Mike Koneski is offline   Reply With Quote
Visit Mike Koneski's homepage!
Unread 03-17-2021, 03:22 PM   #9
Member
Andy
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Posts: 1,848
Thanks: 257
Thanked 2,455 Times in 967 Posts

Default

Thank you everyone for the tips. Mike, you're late to the soup kitchen you don't get the soupy. But then again, I've seen your reloading "room". I do not feel sorry for you : )
__________________
Nothing ruins your Friday like finding out it's only Tuesday
Andrew Sacco is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Andrew Sacco For Your Post:
Unread 03-17-2021, 07:27 PM   #10
Member
Cold Spring
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,900
Thanks: 3,334
Thanked 6,308 Times in 1,217 Posts

Default

Prior to the current primer shortage one of my shooting buds often commented that Rios are too much trouble to use. I called him earlier and asked why that is ..... in addition to being somewhat oversize and thus hard seating in once-fired American hulls, their leading edge isn't as radiused as other 209 primers and can cause jams (in the seating station) of progressive loaders like MEC 9000's.

Last edited by Frank Srebro; 03-18-2021 at 06:45 AM.. Reason: Slightly reworded for clarity
Frank Srebro is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:11 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1998 - 2024, Parkerguns.org
Copyright © 2004 Design par Megatekno
- 2008 style update 3.7 avec l'autorisation de son auteur par Stradfred.