Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums  

Go Back   Parker Gun Collectors Association Forums Parker Forums Parker Reproductions

Notices

Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
Unread 01-20-2014, 11:55 AM   #11
Member
Bill Murphy
PGCA Lifetime
Member Since
Second Grade

Member Info
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 15,526
Thanks: 6,119
Thanked 8,786 Times in 4,718 Posts

Default

Greg, the BHE 0000 frame .410 is not an unusual combination. BHE is the grade that these guns were made in, with the exception of the D engraved one you saw. Without breech ball beads, I question whether it is a 0000 frame. The 0000 frame is very different from the 00 frame and doesn't have what can be described as breech balls. Who offered that unusual gun?
Bill Murphy is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 01-20-2014, 07:02 PM   #12
Member
Wild Skies
PGCA Member
 
Greg Baehman's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,236
Thanks: 1,142
Thanked 3,603 Times in 984 Posts

Default

Bill, I never said the BHE 0000-frame .410 was an unusual combination. What I said was that it is unusual in the sense that they are seldom seen. I have been to the Winter Beinfeld Show 11 times, the VC a couple of times, other S x S events many times, local shoots and gun shows and run in circles of S x S enthusiasts and have never had my hands on one before. I also said it was ultra-unusual and extra-odd in the sense that it's a BHE with DHE-style engraving. I would guess that even you would have to admit that is somewhat unusual.

Make no mistake this was indeed a 0000-frame. I compared it to the 00-frame 28/28/.410 A-1 Special I previously mentioned. The frame itself is about 1/16", maybe a hair more narrower than a 00-frame.

The seller's name is Paul Dorsa from Los Gatos, CA. He bought the gun new from Parker
Reproduction dealer Mike Weatherby. Incidently, he also had a .410 Parker on a 000-frame at the show.
__________________
Wild Skies
Since 1951
Greg Baehman is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 01-20-2014, 07:53 PM   #13
Member
edgarspencer
PGCA Member
 
edgarspencer's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 6,059
Thanks: 2,905
Thanked 11,405 Times in 3,075 Posts

Default

How can it be a BHE "throughout" but be engraved like a D, No bead, and barrel wedges? Checkering alone doesn't make a BHE, to me
edgarspencer is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 01-20-2014, 08:02 PM   #14
Member
Wild Skies
PGCA Member
 
Greg Baehman's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,236
Thanks: 1,142
Thanked 3,603 Times in 984 Posts

Default

Edgar, please don't take what I described in my initial post out of context.
__________________
Wild Skies
Since 1951
Greg Baehman is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 01-20-2014, 08:44 PM   #15
Member
SXS OHIO
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,614
Thanks: 529
Thanked 1,888 Times in 533 Posts

Default

Please do not confuse the 0000 barrels for 0000 frame guns. All of the 410 set that have been listed or seen her are on 00 frame 28ga. guns with 0000 marked 410 barrels. All the 410 sets are marked 0000. Only one true 5lb. 0000 complete gun has been confirmed that I know of and I did not see or handle it. This is a very confusing issue since the frame is not marked. The only way to know is by weight. My 0000 frame 410/00 28 comes in at 6lbs-4oz with 410-s in place. The one BHE 0000 true prototype was 5lbs. That's what I know after years of study. SXS ohio
Kenny Graft is offline   Reply With Quote
Her is a letter about the 410 sets
Unread 01-20-2014, 08:49 PM   #16
Member
SXS OHIO
PGCA Member

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,614
Thanks: 529
Thanked 1,888 Times in 533 Posts

Default Her is a letter about the 410 sets

I hope you can read this, its small,,,thanks Kenny
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Repro_letter.jpg (422.2 KB, 43 views)
Kenny Graft is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 01-20-2014, 08:50 PM   #17
Member
edgarspencer
PGCA Member
 
edgarspencer's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 6,059
Thanks: 2,905
Thanked 11,405 Times in 3,075 Posts

Default

Greg, I didn't think I was manipulating your words, but as sweet as a 4 ought frame gun must be, I don't see how it could be a BHE throughout, but with D grade engraving, which is very much less coverage than a B grade. Additionally, lacking a single bead behind the breach balls is not in keeping with any B grade I've seen, nor have I seen a B grade with barrel wedge engraving, which would usually only be sen on some double A grades, and A-1 Special
edgarspencer is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 01-20-2014, 09:33 PM   #18
Member
Wild Skies
PGCA Member
 
Greg Baehman's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,236
Thanks: 1,142
Thanked 3,603 Times in 984 Posts

Default

Edgar, we're in the Parker Reproduction Forum here and we're talking about a Parker Reproduction BHE. Parker Repro BHE Grades typically have barrel wedge engraving. You can Google Images yourself to check 'em out, but I already did that for you with the image below:
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Parker Reproduction BHE.jpg (7.0 KB, 517 views)
__________________
Wild Skies
Since 1951
Greg Baehman is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 01-20-2014, 10:27 PM   #19
Member
edgarspencer
PGCA Member
 
edgarspencer's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 6,059
Thanks: 2,905
Thanked 11,405 Times in 3,075 Posts

Default

Thanks for that image. That one does have the bead behind the bolsters, and the Checkering pattern is pretty faithful to the original, though I guess they took license when they added the barrel wedge engraving.
edgarspencer is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 01-20-2014, 11:28 PM   #20
Member
Wild Skies
PGCA Member
 
Greg Baehman's Avatar

Member Info
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,236
Thanks: 1,142
Thanked 3,603 Times in 984 Posts

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Murphy View Post
Greg, the BHE 0000 frame .410 is not an unusual combination. BHE is the grade that these guns were made in, with the exception of the D engraved one you saw. Without breech ball beads, I question whether it is a 0000 frame. The 0000 frame is very different from the 00 frame and doesn't have what can be described as breech balls. Who offered that unusual gun?
Please read the remainder of the top left column paragraph in this link:

http://parkerguns.org/forums/album.p...pictureid=1027

Are you saying that the reported 33 factory completed 0000-frame .410 Repros were only built as B-Grades?
__________________
Wild Skies
Since 1951
Greg Baehman is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Greg Baehman For Your Post:
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:40 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1998 - 2023, Parkerguns.org
Copyright © 2004 Design par Megatekno
- 2008 style update 3.7 avec l'autorisation de son auteur par Stradfred.