Dogs Head Butt Plate on Trojan

[Thomas Baumgardner]

I never gave it much thought, but I have a 20 gauge Trojan made in 1926 that was restored at one time. The butt plate appears to be a Remington era butt plate, not a Trojan, with a bird in the mouth and PARKER. I can not find reference to a Remington butt plate with the bird in the mouth. Can anyone give me some insight as to when this butt plate was used? My first time in posting an image, not sure if it is attached.

[B. Dudley]

That plate would not be correct on your gun. It should have the standard serrated plate that was used on the Trojan gun.

And... any gun from that era (1926) would have the name "Parker Bros" or "Parker Brothers" on it. You are correct in assuming that the plate on your gun is from the Remington Era.

Now... since all we can see is the butt end of it, not much can be assumed based on the condition of the rest of the gun.
It is not out of the realm of possibility that the gun was worked on by Remington later on and that plate was put on by them. Are there any Rem repair codes on your barrels?

[Thomas Baumgardner]

There are no Remington repairs codes marked on the gun. I have no comfirmation but the restoration appears to be DelGrego & Son. Any thoughts on the bird or no bird Remington butt plates.

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by Thomas Baumgardner

There are no Remington repairs codes marked on the gun.

The Remington repair codes would be on the left barrel flat very close to the lug.

You may already know this but in the case that you didn't I thought I would offer it.





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[edgarspencer]

The only thing that is obvious, is that the gun was not supplied with that butt plate when new. What is a mystery, is that it doesn't include the word 'Brothers', indicating a post-takeover plate similar to what Remington would have used, BUT, the dog motif is clearly from the late 1800s style.
Did Delgrego have his own plate mold made? Is it a aftermarket supplied plate, ala Galazan? Very Interesting.
There are six styles shown in the front of the serialization book, and the Remington plate is clearly for something larger than an 0 size butt, so perhaps Remington did have a small plate for the lower grades in 20, 28, and .410.
All you late Remington VH(E) 28 guys, check your butts!

[B. Dudley]

That is typical for a number 1 size plate in the Remington Era. The same image was used on the Remington plate as was on the Meriden plate.

Edgar, you may be thinking of the style of dog head on the 0 size plate. The profile with the foliage sprigs under it.

[edgarspencer]

I'm not sure I follow you, Brian. Are you saying the dog with bird in mouth is typical of a 1 size Remington plate? I was under the impression, maybe mistakenly, that the only motif used at Remington was the left looking dog, over brush. See D-13 on page 43 of the serialization book. I do not profess to know much of anything about the Remington era. I only have Meriden guns, and one repro.

[B. Dudley]

That impression is mistaken. The same dog motifs were used on Remington era plates as Meriden era pates. They just lost the “brothers” on the bottom side.

[James L. Martin]

CSMC sells a repro that looks the same Parker name only and a dog with a bird.

[edgarspencer]

Ok,Brian, so there ARE Remington butt plates with the dog with bird in his mouth, right?
As James points out, I kind of thought Tony did have a reproduction with dead bird.