The long and the short of it - an inside story - Page 2

Double Lab · 05-13-2018, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Cronkhite

And if there were a prize, Edgar would win. It is in the side of the trigger plate to limit the travel of the unhooking slide

Edgar IS the man!

TARNATION !!! · 05-13-2018, 06:14 PM

It became a game but was posted on a whim. Well played. Cheers jack

Harry Sanders · 05-14-2018, 07:38 AM

Great answers. Let's start a new twist on it. Let's start a discussion on evolutionary changes in hammerless guns. Hammers guns after we've exhausted hammerless. I'll start. Early guns had two separate pinned into the frame V sear springs on either side of the "block" that the top lever descends into. Later guns have a horizontal slot cut and flat spring inserted into the slot. Brian only one answer! Until we get to the subtleties at the end then it's fair game. Think we'll need to do the hammer guns by group. Lifter, top lever back action, etc.
Have fun.

Dean Romig · 05-14-2018, 08:16 AM

Harry, can you restate the question please? I'm not sure I understand what you're asking...

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TARNATION !!! · 05-14-2018, 08:51 AM

Good morning. I believe Harry refers to the early individual sear springs and the later combined spring. When it comes to removal from a rusted frame I much prefer the later style. I think all (most)Trojans have the combined spring. I found a combined sear spring in VH 228041. The later guns simplified the internal mechanics with other changes to top lever, top lever spring and bolt system. Cheers Jack

Harry Sanders · 05-14-2018, 09:05 AM

That's it. Discuss the mechanical design changes in hammerless guns through their evolution. Jack did it one better than I did by showing pictures.

Dean Romig · 05-14-2018, 10:10 AM

Okay - I thought there was a question Harry was posing.

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B. Dudley · 05-14-2018, 11:54 AM

Well... The very FIRST mechanical change to the hammerless Parker was only about 6 months after it was originally produced.

Originally the HAMMERLESS Parker did not have rebounding hammers. Instead the hammers were drawn back away from the primers by two tabs on the lop lever linkage cam. The tabs pressed back on a cut on the inside of both of the hammers. The hammers were drawn back by the opening of the lever and then the gun opened and cocked as normal.
Very quickly, this feature was done away with and hammers with the rebounding stirrups were used.

The patent that covers the hammer "lifting" feature on the hammerless guns was 368401. The design was replaced by rebounding patent No. 412340.

See here a photo of the "lifter" mechanism as I call it.

Old on left and newer on right.

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Harry Sanders · 05-14-2018, 01:05 PM

Thanks Brian. Never been inside one of the non rebounding guns. Roughly what S/N we're they?

B. Dudley · 05-14-2018, 01:31 PM

The one I have pictured is 56157. I have a bunch of info on this tucked away somewhere that I started compiling for a PP article. I was trying to narrow down a serial number and date range. It obviously starts with the first hammerless (55295). So, that right there is just under 1,000 numbers.

I had several recorded numbers of early guns that I knew did not have the hammer lifting feature. But I cannot find that list at the moment so I cannot say how larger the window may be. Not by much though.