Is a greyed frame considered case colors?

[Kirk Potter]

Originally Posted by Harold Lee Pickens

I actually like the gray patina look after the case colors have worn off. I would refinish fluid or Damascus barrels, refinish the stock, but would not re-case color a gun.

I feel the same way usually although I guess it depends what condition and how original the gun is. I decided to have the receiver on my Reproduction redone only because I had so little $$$ into it anyways, and I don't see it hurting any collector value. But yeah, I like the look of the gray patina as well.

[King Cobb]

Originally Posted by Brian Dudley

Yes there is a reason for refinishing barrels... to protect from rust.

So if there is no pattern on the barrels there is no rust protection? Just curious i didnt think the pattern itself provided the protection.

[OH Osthaus]

Originally Posted by Bill Holcombe

So if there is no pattern on the barrels there is no rust protection? Just curious i didnt think the pattern itself provided the protection.

he did not say pattern - he referred to finish

be it composite or fluid - bare steel will rust sooner than steel with a finish on it

[King Cobb]

Originally Posted by Rick Losey

he did not say pattern - he referred to finish

be it composite or fluid - bare steel will rust sooner than steel with a finish on it

Yes and the comment he originally replied to was one of me asking if there is a functional reason to rebrown a set of damascus barrels in response to him saying there is no functional reason to recase a gun. My point being that many things people do to refinish/restore these old guns has no actual functional purpose.

Typically when people speak of rebrowning their damascus barrels it is simply because the pattern has become too faded, very rarely does it come up in topics on this board that they are rebrowning the barrels because they are afraid they are going to rust from lack of protection.

I am not disagreeing with him, just discussing the finer points of the topic.

[Bill Murphy]

OK, here goes. Refinishing Damascus barrels can be done without any harm to the engraving or other features of the receiver or other parts of the gun. If the Damascus redo does not come out well, it can be redone without any harm to the gun and its originality. Damascus pattern, done well, is not as hard to make look original as case color. Case color, done improperly, is hard to correct, and compromises the originality when redone. If I knew of someone who would refinish Damascus properly and stay in business long enough to do a few sets for me, I would be very happy.

[Dean Romig]

Originally Posted by Bill Holcombe

I know in the other conversation-it came up as they were discussing how to consider % of case colors. Dean at the time considered a grey frame to be case colors and Bill Murphy had the opposing view at that time.

I suspect that by taking out of context that which I am quoted as saying, my meaning may have been misconstrued.

Bill, can you please post a link to that original conversation or at least to my post?

Best, Dean





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[King Cobb]

I definitely can Dean. If i misconstrued your meaning i apologize. I also apologize if someone thought i was being rude to Brian, i was just trying have an interesting conversation about what i think is an interesting topic. I have eay too much respect for Brian and others on this board to be rude to them i assure you.

Mr. Murphy, thanks gor your input. I entirely agree with your statement. The same can be said for checkering as we have seen multiple times. For the basis of this conversation let us assume the work would be done correctly.

Again not trying to ruffle feathers, just looking for an interesting conversation and enlightenment.

[King Cobb]

Dean, here is your post that i do think i misconstrued the meaning of.

"In my humble opinion case color remaining, not worn off, even if it has gone to gray, is what should be considered when specifying percentage remaining. I'm sure there are those collectors (like Murphy...) who would insist on only vivid color remaining, but that formula would not necessarily speak to the 'wear' factor."

I do apologize. Your perceived position one way or another wasnt avtually germain to the discusion except for me explaining what motivated me to start this

The rest of the thread can be found here.

http://parkerguns.org/forums/showthr...light=confused

This will teach me to go strolling through old posts.

[Dean Romig]

Bill - no apology necessary. And I stand by what I said in that old post.... but taking it out of context actually did misconstrue what I had said.

Thanks for bringing it up in its entirety Bill.

Best, Dean





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[John Allen]

Brian is correct in saying there is no functional reason to recase color a receiver.The reasons are strictly cosmetic.In valuing a gun,a recolored gun will bring 30% to 40% less than an original gun that shows even traces of original color.Originality is what drives the price on any collectible gun.Another reason not to recolor a gun is the risk of warping the action.It does not happen often,but it is a risk you take when you recase harden any metal.