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Unread 11-29-2019, 11:40 AM   #1
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This gun was my late uncle's (WWII artillery vet) quail gun. It was probably a war relic, but I don't know. He was deadly on quail with it, choked skeet and I.M. I had the fore end replaced where he used it to press down barbed wire crossing fences. The stock was cracked and that got fixed and recheckered and refinished. I did the barrels and trigger guard. It is my prized possession due to the memories of hunting with him. Today was only the second time I used it and got my limit with it, shooting 50%. Had a couple of lost birds that fell way out but ended up with my fifteen anyway. I love the late dove seasons.
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Jerry: if you would post full size close up in focus images of every mark on the barrel flats and just forward of the flats, and the action flats, we might be able to tell you more about the gun.
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Drew,

Hope you can see these.

Thanks.
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Very nice Jerry. It's a Manufacture Liegeoise D Armes À Feu.

It carries Smokeless Powder proof and has 70mm = 2 3/4" chambers.
The barrel weighed 1.4309 Kg = 3.15# at the time of proof. If the barrels were later honed, they would still be in proof if the weight loss was less than 3%.
I can't read the numbers, but forward of the flats is the bore over the choke in mm; used c. 1910-1924.
The "Acier Special" barrels were also used by Fabrique Nationale Herstal
It does not have a lettre annale so it was made prior to 1921 and with 70mm chambers I very much suspect after the end of WWI, which would narrow the DOM to 1919-1920.

Cornell Pubs has a 1932 ML catalog reprint which might show the model.

Amazing all that can be learned from the Belgian marks!
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Drew,

Thank you so much for the information. It will go on the tag I keep on the gun.

The choke information is:

R: 18.3/18.5 then 17.6/18.4

l: 17.6/18.4


r: 18.5 mm = .728 18.3 mm = .720 so I am seeing .008 which is skeet
L:18.4 mm = .724 17.6 mm = .692 so I am seeing .032 which is I.M./light full

I measured .006 and .030 with my gauge, so obviously the choke in the right barrel was opened.



choke is stamped in front of each marking, except the 18.3/18.5

The 17.6/18.4 on each barrel are in line with each other. The 18.3/18.5 on the right barrel is in front of it.

Acier Special with a crown and ML below the crown to the left and right of each Acier Special on each barrel.

Thanks again.

p.s. For insurance purposes, what would anyone estimate the value of this gun? It will never be sold but will go to my oldest son who when he was a little boy was fortunate enough to spend time with my uncle.
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The choke and bore next to each other, followed by "CHOKE" was used until c. 1910 Jerry. The gun is probably therefore pre-WWI and I suspect the gun was re-proved prior to 1921, after the right barrel was slightly honed and choke opened.
Cornell Pubs also has a 1908 ML catalog reprint and the gun should be illustrated
https://www.cornellpubs.com/old-guns...hp?item_id=469
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nice heirloom jerry...i m like you these old family guns have a lot of value to me... maybe not in money...but tons of memories...i would value the gun at 1000 dollars....charlie
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Trempe jaspee refers to hardening or quenching of a precious manner. I feel it is referring to a case hardening finish. I am not fluent so take as you wish.
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