New Federal High Over All

[Andy]

I have a few flats of these coming and I'm interested if anyone has seen them or reloaded them. It's a ONE piece wad/hull like a Gun Club/Nitro I believe which is not inconceivable since Vista owns them. I would ASSUME the load data is the same but wondering if anyone has had a chance to use them yet. If nobody has I'll post my experience after I put a few boxes through in the next week or two.

https://www.federalpremium.com/shots...-HOA12L+9.html

[Craig Larter]

Looks like a STS/Nitro 27 hull to me. Nice to see the combined Remington/Federal doing some cross marketing-product development, just like the Remy/Peters/Federal paper hulls. Hopefully more good stuff in the future. The other neat change is you can order Remington and Federal shells direct from the manufacturer delivered to your door with free shipping with a orders over $150. The guys at Vista seem to get it in the current state of consumer affairs.

[Andy]

I will post back after I shoot them but I'm excited to see how they are and how they reload. I think that's a new wad.

[Mike of the Mountain]

You need to bring some extra down here and I'll help you evaluate their performance. Just sayin'.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Mike Koneski

You need to bring some extra down here and I'll help you evaluate their performance. Just sayin'.

I'll bring you a few boxes for sure Mike

[Bill Murphy]

$14.99 a box. Such a deal, oyvey.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Bill Murphy

$14.99 a box. Such a deal, oyvey.

I got them yesterday. Damn nice looking shell. STS hull but deep translucent burgundy. I don’t think $15 a box for these is crazy given the hull that can be reloaded quite a bit for practice and the state of the market. I can almost guarantee it is cheaper now than next year. What have you seen drop in price this past year? NOTHING. Add inflation to the mix and I’m buying now as much as I can. I could be wrong but I don’t think I am. Sure it’s different than an RST but they’re not cheap either and they’re going up in price. This is a handicap load so is a bit different animal but I’m glad to see Vista bring a new product to market.

[Cold Spring]

My crystal ball agrees with Andy's assessment for the "out period". Local supermarkets have shelves empty of staples like cream cheese, cereals, graham crackers, zip lock storage bags, etc because they're all on allocation; and we wonder and complain about pricings for the complex to make powder, primers and shells that do make it to the market? Free money, worker shortages, inflation, material supply issues, almost all the familiar commercial powders are now made at only one facility in the US, increased environmental scrutiny, and management having to jump thru hoops to offer workers more money and incentives while also trying to turn a dime for stockholders. I know many if not all of these are inter-related and in any case I think we're in the new normal. Just my assessment fwiw.

[J.B. Books]

Originally Posted by Frank Srebro

My crystal ball agrees with Andy's assessment for the "out period". Local supermarkets have shelves empty of staples like cream cheese, cereals, graham crackers, zip lock storage bags, etc because they're all on allocation; and we wonder and complain about pricings for the complex to make powder, primers and shells that do make it to the market? Free money, worker shortages, inflation, material supply issues, almost all the familiar commercial powders are now made at only one facility in the US, increased environmental scrutiny, and management having to jump thru hoops to offer workers more money and incentives while also trying to turn a dime for stockholders. I know many if not all of these are inter-related and in any case I think we're in the new normal. Just my assessment fwiw.

I also think we are a couple of years away from inventory at gun stores being what we knew as normal and the high prices may come down a little from their peak but they will be much higher than we saw prepandemic. Buy it when you see it if doesn't have a scalpers price tag.

[Mike of the Mountain]

Originally Posted by Pete Lester

I also think we are a couple of years away from inventory at gun stores being what we knew as normal and the high prices may come down a little from their peak but they will be much higher than we saw prepandemic. Buy it when you see it if doesn't have a scalpers price tag.

Spot on Pete. Powder is starting to show up but it's still a way off from pre-PLANdemic inventories. Prices will come down as supply catches up to demand but as you said, not to previous prices. If a flat of shells was $65 in January 2021 and is $90 in January 2022, maybe we'll see them at $75-$80. Maybe. We all remember buying 5K 209 primers for around $110. We'll be lucky if in the future we pay only $200/5K. The good old days of cheap reloading are long gone once our older component stores are used up. BUT, it will still be cheaper than factory ammo. Definitely buy it when you see it and don't fret over shipping costs, that too is the "new normal" (I HATE that saying).