Provenance - Page 5

Dean Romig · 04-03-2010, 02:02 PM

Austin, congratulations of the Provenance article in the new issue of DGJ that arrived in my mailbox today. I'll read it tonight when I can devote all of my attention to it. Josh Loensteiner also has a fine article on a very special LeFever.

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Bill Murphy · 04-03-2010, 06:10 PM

Yup, Bruce, that's the way I remember hearing about it.

Old and Reliable · 04-03-2010, 10:17 PM

How he treated both his wives and his lovers will always be a topic for discussion in some circles. Of his four known wives, the one that fascinates me is the third one, Martha Gelhorn.

Daughter of a prominent St. Louis physician, educated at Bryn Mawr, a published writer even when she met E.H., befriended by Eleanor Roosevelt, their marriage separated by conflicting careers as WW11 correspondents- quite a person indeed.

I can appreciate some of E.H.'s "gusto" for life in the "macho" lane, without having to emulate it, as much as I can appreciate songs by the late Jim Morrison or Janis Joplin without having to embrace the drug-crazed world they developed for themselves.

My forebearers taught me to respect women. Doesn't mean I profess to understand them, however!!

MarketHunter · 04-03-2010, 10:25 PM

There was a good article on Hemingway shotguns in the last shooting sportsman. He didn't shoot himself with a Parker and there aren't any Parkers mentioned in the article.

DLH

George Lander · 04-03-2010, 10:35 PM

If you've never read "Islands in the Stream", a short novel by Hemingway, it, in my opinion, best describes the man, his moods and his relationship with his sons and ex-wives. George C. Scott played him in the movie. My favourite part in the movie is David Hemmings, George's (Ernest's) alcoholic buddy, shooting the hammerhead shark which was threatening George's son with a B.A.R.

Destry: I believe that his last weapon of choice was a Boss SxS.

Best Regards, George

Old and Reliable · 04-03-2010, 10:50 PM

And not just because I sent you both that VCR of the movie with George C. Scott, but also a VCR copy of the Spencer Tracy- Hemingway's Nobel wining "The Old Man and The Sea"--

If you want insight into Hemingway- read that novel pages 96-97 beginning with the line- "Then he thought that was as--- and ending with "There had been no sorrow at all"!!

I have always wondered who in real life Thomas Hudson's best friend in the novel, Roger the writer was. John Dos Passos?

I believe one of George C. Scott's wives played the part of the local hooker who invited the character Thomas Hudson up to her place for some "Afternoon Delight"--

The central character was depicted as a painter in the novel, in the movie he was a sculptor who worked in metal. As a welder by trade, they even got the period goggles and the 3-tubed Smiths combo torch unit correct.

Yes, David Hemmings played "Eddie"- and killing a shark in a rolling sea with a BAR would be no mean feat indeed!!

George Lander · 04-03-2010, 11:24 PM

Francis: And Thank You Again For The Tapes. Was it not Claire Bloom who played his former wife? And who was the boat captain who was injured? Wasn't he a former trapeeze artist?

Best Regards, George

Old and Reliable · 04-04-2010, 10:03 AM

Gilbert Roland was the Boat Captain in "Mr. Bobby's Bar"- his line- "Let's have the best one of the day, Thomas" set the tone for that aspect of the movie-Claire Bloom was. at that time, married to George C. Scott, and was the "hooker" as cast- thanks for the memory jog.

In the book, Thomas Hudson shoots at the hammerhead shark with a .256- a Mannlicher-Schoenauer BA with the classic butterknife handle- and Eddie nails the shark in the belly with Thompson 1921 SMG--

Never have shot a shark, but would prefer my NM 1903 accurized Springfield with AP loads-sharks have tough hides so I have heard.

Also have enjoyed very much the "Sunrise on the Santee" duck hunting book you sent me in return for the VCR tapes- any hunting or fishing stopry set in either of the Carolinas is "Aces" with me- Havilah Babcock didn't have to take a back seat to any of the "Yankee" writers of his era either- just read his "Two Strangers" which I rank equally with Corey Ford's "The Road To Tinkhamtown"--

Blind Dog · 04-04-2010, 04:18 PM

Since this thread has wandered way off course and Francis brought up "Tinkhamtown" I'll tell you of a most remarkable dream I had last night of all nights. I went to bed about 1:00 this morning and woke up at 3:00 having dreamed that I found Ringo in the snow. I lifted his head and pulled the ice off his face; he looked at me, then closed his eyes. I caught something out of the corner of my eye; turned to look and saw his doppleganger drifting off in the woods.

Old and Reliable · 04-04-2010, 05:13 PM

I'll take the "rap" for the drift on this thread. I would have chatted one-on-one with the fine Gent'man from Nawth Carolina vis a vis the PMS system- but mine is always FUBARED- I have apparently used up all the tokens, have freshened up Bowser until he'd pass a white glove inspection=- still no dice.

Trying to PMS Fred about those Trojan 12 gauge parts- so maybe he'll read this instead and let me where where to ship'em!!

Yup- every dog should have a Doppelganger- well, maybe except a Alsatian name of Blondi- in that case, one, plus her nefarious owner, was way more than enough.