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It's been so long ago all I remember was I shot 4oz of shot and 400grs of 1F. A square load is by volume, a equal amount of powder and shot. I have two old adjustable powder/shot dippers and the drams is shown on one side and the shot in oz on the other. They don't go to 3 or 4 oz, but one shows at 2oz 4.5 drams and the other 4.75drams of powder. So doubling that we get either 246 or 259 grs of 2f at 4 oz. Say 250 and if I add a bit for 1F, maybe 300. Looks like I was a bit high, but then it was a gun I helped make [ there were 3 of them, each of us did a different job making them ] and the barrels were quite thick. They were side hammer O/Us and they weighed around 20 lbs. The brother in-law who owned a machine shop made the barrels from thick seamless tubing, the neighbor made the locks, triggers, and all the hardware, and it was my job to get the wood and make some guns out of everything. If I shot directly overhead it would push me flat on my back. It wasn't so much of a kick, just a big push. I ended up choking mine by heating the end of the barrels and with a tapered swedge put about .008 in each barrel. At 60yds it would completely cover two newspapers side by side. And the geese coming in to decoys in farm fields dropped dead. I first tried buckshot but couldn't get good patterns so I went to #2 shot. I'd get the nipples out one way or the other. Even if you have to drill them out and re-tap them. A 1/4X28 is a common thread and nipples are easy to find with that size. A believe it's a #7 drill and the tap shouldn't cost you more than $20 and a couple of nipples and you're good to go. Go to Track of the Wolf or Dixie Gun Works for what you need. www.circlefly.com has the wads you'll need. Good luck.
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My dipper shows a 2 7/8 load at 5 1/2drams of powder [ 150grs ]. Harry had some good hints about cleaning. I do as he did except when done with the clean water I run a dry patch down the barrel, then one with WD-40 to remove any moisture, then one with good ol REM-oil.
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I do know wd40 is useful because it displaces water at least from what I have read . I am hoping the proof load is on the barrel flats , the Belgians had a proofing house like the English from what I have seen . I am confused about the make of the barrels some say that london was marked on Belgian barrels to try to upsell their guns . But I have also read that smaller Belgian makers or guild guns would order they barrels from the UK . So who knows ? I didnt wanted to start another thread but If i buy a 8 gauge cartridge gun is anyone loading blackhorn 209 in theirs ? From the accounts I have read it shoots clean and isnt very corrosive if at all . |
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I was looking at 8 gauge wads on buffalo arms since they also carry blackpowder I figured i would try to buy all the shooting supplies from the same store . I hear if shooting real bp swiss is the way to go . I was thinking of testing the 8 gauge with a 5 dram load and 3oz of shot to test the barrels but my hunting load will be 2oz if the gun is sound . |
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07-03-2019, 08:36 PM | #17 | ||||||
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From 1891 to 1899, Union Metallic Cartridge Co. only offered loaded shells in 10- to 20-gauge. They offered both brass and paper NPEs for 8- and 4- gauge. By 1900 they were offering loaded 8-gauge shells.
In their 1900 catalog Union Metallic Cartridge Co. offered quite a range of 8-gauge loads, bulk smokeless matching the black powder loads. 8-gauge TRAP Shells 1900.png They must have discovered some of those loads in smokeless were too hot and cut the smokeless loads back by 1901 -- 8-gauge TRAP Shells 1901.png 1903 -- 1903 UMC 8-gauge Loads.jpeg 1905 -- 8-Gauge Trap Shells 1905.png |
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Seems like 2oz is considered a heavy load for the 8 gauge by those listings . I think a 2oz load should pattern pretty good in the 8 gauge bore . Most modern shotguns have no idea what a square shot column is or means . I have seen some data a few years ago showing what the 8 ga industrial slugs were loaded to . I want to say it was a 3oz slug at 2500 fps .Which is crazy when you think about it because thats about 2x the projectile weight of heavy 50 bmg about 150fps slower . I think when I get my 8 ga cartridge gun next year the bp data should be similair between the 8 ga shell and muzzle loader both using 2oz . I planned on ordering some cases from RMC next year but seen yesterday they are planning on closing up shop. |
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I've heard many compliments on Goex Olde Eynsford black powder. A hundred years ago they found what patterns best and you might find a lighter load than 2oz will pattern better. The Fluid Film I mentioned earlier is a lanolin based and not result in black powder fouling like petroleum based products. https://www.theruststore.com/Fluid-F...l-P179C67.aspx I wipe my bore out with rubbing alcohol prior to loading. When I start to get fouling on the range I will swab the bore with MAP (equal parts of murphy's oil soap, rubbing alcohol, and hydrogen peroxide) followed by rubbing alcohol. MAP will often do as good a job cleaning the barrels as soap and water.
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I also wanted to ask has anyone bought and used the ch 8 ga dies for resizing industrial cases ? I have a theory that if the specific case wax/lube ( I will have to look up the brand) used for resizing 50 bmg brass will resize those cases who are blown way out of spec from m2 chambers . I think that particular case lube would work just as well on resizing industrial cases . |
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