i agree with you bill...i cut the card wads in 3 pieces goes a lot futher that way...i have used them over the shot whole i never could tell the diferance if i had blown patterns....but i still think somebody ought to buy those old alcan wads even if the box is pretty bad....bill do you ever use the italian wads.. they do not inclose much lead but they seal off pretty good....one thing if you have a tight choke gun and you use the plastic sp8 remington wad you might want to cut the shot containg part of the wad into 4 petals were the wind will catch it quicker and let the shot spread out....if you do not cut petals it will usally shoot much to tite of a pattern.... charlie
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