If you are interested in a Ryman type setter I would recommend getting ahold of Mark Alteman at Rum Creek Kennels in Rockford. He is planning to have a breeding soon and his Bitch briar is an awesome grouse dog. The stud belongs to a vet up north and is great as well.
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"Everybody knows that the autumn landscape in the northwoods is the land, plus a red maple, plus a ruffed grouse. In terms of conventional physics, the grouse represents only a millionth of either the mass or the energy of an acre. Yet subtract the grouse and the whole thing is dead." - Aldo Leopold
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