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Jim Kremmel 04-03-2021 10:37 PM

Twist vs. Plain Twist
 
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I’ve spent the evening here looking for examples or threads discussing Twist vs Plain Twist barrels. The info under the technical info tab indicates that there were many more plain twist barrels fitted than twist barrels. Here are some pictures of my PH sn 144,983. I see a T stamped in the barrel near the weight, but no T with crescents. Which type do I have, and what is the difference/significance between the two types? My apologies if this has been discussed previously, I don’t yet have any of the Parker reference books.

Drew Hause 04-04-2021 09:17 AM

Plain Twist
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...LxMESM3W0/edit

Mike Franzen 05-11-2021 01:48 AM

Show us more of the gun please. Looks very interesting.

Garry L Gordon 05-11-2021 07:21 AM

Hmmm...a 1 1/2 frame with plain twist barrels. I wonder how many of those there might be?

Dean Romig 05-11-2021 08:09 AM

11,107 Hammerless 12-gauge Grade-1 guns were made with Twist barrels.

Parker Steel barrels had all but replaced Twist barrels by 1917 and the 1 1/2 frame had been around since about 1900 so I would guess that a fair number of 1 1/2 frame 12-gauge guns with Twist barrels were produced. Unfortunately it is a very rare entry in the Parker Bros. records that indicate a frame size of a particular gun.

The T stamp without the crescents above and below is generally known to be the stamp for Stub Twist (see pg. 581 of TPS) and these are "only" seen on hammer guns with a very few rare exceptions that may have been made as "special" guns. These would have been recorded at T1 guns or ST guns.
Parker No. 144983 is listed as a "PT" in the Serialization book so it is not likely to be one of those special guns.

Can we guess that the crescents were omitted in error?




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Garry L Gordon 05-11-2021 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dean Romig (Post 334009)
11,107 Hammerless 12-gauge Grade-1 guns were made with Twist barrels.

Parker Steel barrels had all but replaced Twist barrels by 1917 and the 1 1/2 frame had been around since about 1900 so I would guess that a fair number of 1 1/2 frame 12-gauge guns with Twist barrels were produced. Unfortunately it is a very rare entry in the Parker Bros. records that indicate a frame size of a particular gun.
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Thanks, Dean. This is a grade and barrel type that has always interested me, so I look closely at them when they come up. I don't see many advertised in this frame size, so your estimate has me hopeful that I may be able to add one to my collection.

Jim Kremmel 05-11-2021 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike Franzen (Post 334000)
Show us more of the gun please. Looks very interesting.

The gun is in the capable hands of Keavin Nelson for stock restoration and (swallowing hard) shortening the barrel by about an inch to remove the bulge in the right barrel. As all collector value is long gone, Keavin helped me reenvision this gun to do duty in the field for another 100 years and keep it in the gene pool.

Dean Romig 05-11-2021 09:30 AM

Keavin is a good man and a good friend to all.




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Paul Stafford 05-11-2021 10:04 PM

http://parkerguns.org/forums/picture...pictureid=4569

Twist & Stub Twist - Granted Hammer gun examples..

Dean Romig 05-12-2021 06:20 AM

Paul, is the top one the Stub Twist gun?

And please explain what you mean by granted?




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