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Drew Hause

07-14-2018 02:25 PM

Thanks to all who have replied, and to Bill for starting this thread.
After staring at the (few) labeled sample segments and illustrations available until cross-eyed :vconfused: , I believe Parker offered BOTH Bernard I and Bernard II barrels.

IF there are very distinct "roses" in the pattern, I think we can safely call it Bernard II

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL.../334230060.jpg

The "rough forged tubes" were ordered matched, paired and wired together, and the pattern is difficult to read when "rough forged". Parker Bros. obviously knew what they were ordering, but the subtle differences in the batches supplied by the Belgian makers would not be unexpected.

I could still be wrong, but have changed these documents to reflect that opinion
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...YvzD18i3c/edit
http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/17227428
http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/19025099

Bill Holcombe

07-14-2018 03:26 PM

I just find some of this stuff interesting and curious. Thanks to all the responsents and as always Drew thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise.

I have no idea what the cost difference labor wise was, but I surmise if Cs had gotten the engraving earlier that they got in the later years, or if all Cs had been roundel engraved, they would have sold a lot more Cs.

Sara LeFever

07-14-2018 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Romig (Post 248263)

Somebody apparently turned a beautiful A grade, side-cocker with Bernard barrels into a "cowboy action gun" by cutting the barrels down to 22".

The ignorance out there is apalling!!

Anyway, someone bought the gun and fitted fluid steel barrels to it and put these barrels up for sale on doublegunshop.com and I bought them... Why? you might ask.... I have a soft spot for any kind of orphan I guess.

Dean,
Thanks for sharing! That's a darn shame someone cut those barrels! An A grade, side-cocker of all things! :banghead:
Glad you took them in and appreciate them! They are still impressive on their own.
Sara

Brian Dudley

07-14-2018 04:03 PM

Sara. Ask me about those barrels at Rock Mountain, i will tell you more.

Gary Carmichael Sr

07-15-2018 10:33 AM

Bernard

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Drew which type is this?

Drew Hause

07-15-2018 11:47 AM

The safe answer would be Bernard Gary ;)
I enhanced the image and am almost sure it's Bernard I

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL.../413953666.jpg

I added the image here as it is a good example to compare with "Rose Pattern" Bernard II
http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/17227428

Gary Carmichael Sr

07-15-2018 12:06 PM

Bernard

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One more this is a grade 4 32" Bernard, in great original shape, Gary

Gary Carmichael Sr

07-15-2018 12:08 PM

double and triple click for enlargements

Drew Hause

07-15-2018 12:23 PM

Spectacular Gary, and IMHO also Bernard I

BTW: I do not know if Ken Waite Jr. monitors the Forum, but a high resolution full size close up of pattern No. 15 (like No. 16 that Dean posted) in his Damascus Sample would be extremely helpful.

Kirk Potter

07-16-2018 09:59 AM

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This is from a gunmaker out of Boston. (Not mine)

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