Remington DEO today
 

Thought I would share a few pictures at a Remington 1894 SXS I looked at today. I really like the engraving. Metal is pretty good but the wood is replacement and a real mess. The best I can tell there are no records on the guns like we are fortunate to have for Parkers. I did figure out it is a DEO grade.
I only had my Iphone for pictures so they are not great. Is there information as to who did the engraving? Also the barrels are each marked 2 7/8 ???
I know we have a lot of knowledge on this sight and hoping to learn all I can.

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I can not believe how horrible the picture I posted looks. It looks nothing like this. Engraving is sharp. What am I doing wrong. I will hold off posting any more pictures until I can figure out what I did wrong.

I guess if you tap the link it becomes clearer.

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You can click it twice to get full size. The pics look great, especially for a mobile. Beautiful engraving.

Can you post a couple of pictures of the complete but stock and forearm. Thanks in advance.

Phil,
The names of engravers that come up in Charles Semmers book is Owne DeLange and Joseph Loy. What a find.
Ken

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Wow!! That could be a worthy restoration project. Any pictures of the 2 7/8 markings? According to surviving hang-tags I've seen, Remington Arms Co. 12-gauge doubles were made for 2 5/8 inch shells. In his book, the late Charles Semmer showed a CEO-grade with 2 3/4 markings on the bottom of the tubes just forward of the barrel flats.

I'm sure that with a liberal application of dollars one of our good stock men could make it look a bit more like this --

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I will get some more pictures tomorrow morning I will get the pictures of the barrel markings as well as the markings on the water table. The 2 7/8 is marked on the barrels where they meet the barrel flats as I recall. Barrels are 30" marked Ordanance Steel.

What grade would the DEO compare to Parker models?

Phil,
It was a $155.00 gun with ejectors

1902 The Pacific Hardware & Steel Co., San Francisco, CA
Non-ejectors
...................Parker..................L.C. Smith................Remington
$70...............VH........................No. 0E ($60)............BO ($75)
$80...............GH........................No. 2......................BEO
$100.............DH........................No. 3......................CE ($95)
$150.............CH........................No. 4.......................D
$200.............BH........................No. 5.......................E ($225)

Thanks for all of the feedback guys. I will be posting some more pictures in a few hours.

Were thes D grades stocked with exhibition grade American walnut?

I would say "yes" to that question. Are you sure this is a 12 gauge and not a 10?

The Remington Society of America has information on other engravers of that era. I would contact them directly and ask for help. That is a beautiful and rare gun that deserves to be brought back to its former glory. Thanks for sharing.

I recently scored an 1895 vintage picture of 39 men of the shotgun department at Remington Arms Co. There were three Goughs in the picture -- George Gough, Herb Gough Sr., and Bert Gough Jr. No Joe Loy or Owne DeLange in the picture, but it did include a fairly young Be(u)rt Becker.

I wouldn't let any Juglans nigra anywhere near that gun. Only Juglans regia!! The Remington Arms Co. catalogs of the period state the K-grades were stocked in "selected walnut." Remington Hammerless Doubles from A-Grade to EEO-Grade were stocked in "English Walnut" and the Remington Special in "Circassian Walnut." For A- & B-grades and the FE-Grade Trap Gun the later catalogs state "English Walnut", for C-Grades "Fine English Walnut", for D-Grades "Fine selected English Walnut" and for E-Grades "Best English Walnut."

Gun is now mine. I plan to have restocked. It is definitely a 12 gauge I took the chamber gauges with me this morning. Also the chambers measure exactly 2 7/8".
Every time I say no more SXS something comes along that I would never had expected and I fall off the wagon.

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The April 1897 Remington Arms Co. catalogue, which introduced the “Ordnance Steel” barrels: “Remington” blued steel barrels are manufactured in our own works, and sold at the same price as ordinary Damascus barrels. Guaranteed for nitro powders and free from all imperfections. (courtesy of Dave Noreen)
The 1902 catalog stated the Remington Ordnance Steel tensile strength was 110,000 lbs per sq. inch with an elastic limit of 60,000 psi.

Should last awhile ;)

I have attempted to contact Charles Semmer at the number listed on the Remington site but the number is no longer in service. I am hoping to purchase one of his special edition books from him if they are avalible.
By chance does anyone have a number for him other than
303-429-6947.

Phil,
I believe Charles has passed away, as I see him mentioned in past tense. If he hasn't I am terribly sorry.
Ken

P.s. Congratulations on your purchase!!

Thank you, I am sorry to learn of this.

If anyone knows where I might purchase one of his hard bound books I would greatly appreciate the lead.

Dan Cote may be selling them.

Thank you Bill but it shows they are sold out of the hard back books. I may need to settle for a paper back.

A few sources-

http://www.ebay.com/p/Remington-Doub...dcover/5672121

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...tible&qid=&sr=

http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/remi...mer/1014968452

I wish I could remember to whom I loaned my copy...

Phil, don't buy a paperback. The pictures in the hardback edition are astounding and won't be the same in a copy. The paperback will be worth about $2.00 a week after you get it. Hang on, someone will come up with one.

Don't worry about a dust jacket. They never had a dust jacket.

Phil,

I have the book if you want to borrow it.

Wayne

Its amazing that a gun with such beautiful engraving could have such a junk stock on it. I would be tempted to save that one too.

I believe the engraving of the ducks,woodcocks and scrolls was done by Joseph Loy. J.J.

When things settle down tonight I will post a few better pictures. Any thoughts on the barrel and flat markings?
Wayne I appreciate the offer, may need to take you up on it if I can not find a hardback, will look at the web sites suggested tonight. Bill you are right, hard back is always the best way to go as picture quality is so much nicer. I really appreciate the help on the A Parker site. Nothing like it any where. Looking forward to meeting many of you in Vegas.
I will be looking at blanks tomorrow to see if a I can find one locally fitting of the gun.
I have a line on some good stock if it's still available.

The latest edition of The Double Gun Journal has an ad for them on page 108.

According to Charles' serial number chronology 121252 would be of 1901 vintage.

great looking gun i really like those remington 1894 s....charlie

Dave possibly I am over thinking this. Is there Paper backs, hard backs, and then the leather bound? If these on DoubleGun are hard backs I will get this ordered right away. Dave what's your thoughts on the chamber markings?

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