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Brad Bachelder 08-22-2011 01:43 PM

Help with identification
 
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Chain pattern Damascus comprises a large percentage of our refinishing. Regardless of the brand name, the pattern is fairly consistant. Size and spacing seem to be the only variables. In this last group we ran a set of LC Smith, Meriden, Lefever and a set of Baker barrels as pictured below. The first three are typical but the last pictures are what was first thought as a basic Baker chain. However, after the first rusting it became obvious that this was not chain. What is it? I can't seem to ID it?
Thanks,
Brad

Tom Carter 08-22-2011 01:59 PM

Barrels
 
Brad, I can only identify it as BEAUTIFUL.
Cheers, Tom

Drew Hause 08-24-2011 04:37 PM

As we've discussed before, barrel and gun makers could call their patterns pretty much whatever they wanted, so let's call this "Bachelder" :bowdown:

I've never seen that pattern Brad, but it was obviously somebody's Chain or Chainette. Are there any maker's marks just forward of the flats? Many thanks for posting!

Brad Bachelder 08-24-2011 04:59 PM

chain Damascus
 
Each tube is stamped ahead of the flats with a "D" and a sideways 4. The flats are stamped with 4 digit serial number followed by P.D.. I have not seen these letters on a Baker before. The gun is a "R' grade with two sets of barrels, same pattern.
I will post some high res. pics shortly,
Thanks Brad

Drew Hause 08-24-2011 06:00 PM

Could it be 'B.D.'? Bauduin Doyen was a Nessonvaux damascus barrel and gun maker. They were part of Syndicat des Fabricants de canons de fusils de la Vesdre in 1907. 'BD' is pretty common on Smith's "Good 2 Rod Damascus"

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL.../273607625.jpg

Brad Bachelder 08-24-2011 06:45 PM

The stampings are quite sharp with no residual marks present. The forend lug is also stamped D 4. I have noticed that Bakers with English Twist are stamped with an L. Damascus such as found on the Paragons is stamped with a D.
This pattern has a repeat of two wide bands followed by a narrow band. The narrow bands are broken chainette. The wide bands form a flower like pattern, similar to a rose.
Perhaps it is Rose and Chain ? The second set of barrels are just as perfect.

Brad

charlie cleveland 08-25-2011 09:30 PM

brad that is some fine looking barrels.... charlie

Brad Bachelder 08-30-2011 03:24 PM

Identification
 
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I was able to pull up some marks on the second set of barrels. Three letters possibly A.D.H. . Without full recovery I can't tell for sure. Hopefully these are close to a known makers marks.

Brad

Drew Hause 08-31-2011 03:21 PM

Thanks Brad. It's Arthur-Delvaux-Heuse de Fraipont and I found a pic of the same pattern also on a Baker. Is it an A grade or Paragon?

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL.../377062944.jpg

Brad Bachelder 08-31-2011 03:37 PM

Identification
 
Thank you Drew, mystery solved. I will note it in our pattern book.
I wonder how many others may exist ?

Brad


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