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Hi I'm new here and need some help. I have my great grandfathers Parker 10ga. side by side. First, I have looked up the s/n (7735) and it is said to be newer than the engraving on the rib between the bbl's it states " Manufactured for M. Hoag 1869 Seneca Falls NY." Secondly I can't find a frame size, grade or any other markings any where on the gun. the side plates are engraved with hunting dogs on point and the underside of the trigger guard has what look like a Sand piper the wood is very rich and in great cond. The bbl's are marked Laminated Steel. Could this gun be restored to be a shooter? there are parts missing however, both hammers and one firing pin and the little cover on the under lever.
Any help and or advise is greatly appreciated.

Don, Book says 10gauge grade 2 with 30" barrels, the gun dates to 1876 manufacture so I do not know about the rib inscription, was your great grandfather M Hoag from Seneca Falls? Gary

Don, it would be a big help if you could post some clear pictures of the gun and its markings

Dave Fjelline is making hammers for Parkers. I had the opportunity to examine a pair and they are very high quality and reasonably priced. He even has them engraved by request at not much more money. He is a super nice guy and a "Parker Gentleman".






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this M Hoag?

http://www.co.seneca.ny.us/wp-conten...Hoag-House.pdf

Yes thats him, I don't know much other than that posted by OH Osthaus and I don't rember my dad talking much about him.
Thanks for the lead on the hammers.
Thanks to you all

I'm hoping to get the gun restored for my grandson. any suggestions as to how to contact Dave Fjelline?

from an earlier post

Dave Fjelline,916-521-1334

Thank you very much I'll give him a call

Don, some of the early guns did not have a frame size stamped on the barrel lug. You can measure and determine yourself. Here is a FAQ that describes how.
http://parkerguns.org/pages/faq/Framesize.htm

i have contacted Dave and he is confident he has all the missing parts I need. Thanks for the information

There were scant few Parkers made with the top rib engraved "Manufactured For" and the owner's name.





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I can renew it to your preferred configuration or restore to factory configuration, your choice, shooting it is for you to find out about barrels limitations. I'm sure it's possible just you have to know what loads are safe for it.

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Here are some pic's of the gun Attachment 51561

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Attachment 51563 any feed back would be welcomed
Dave Fjelline is working to locate the missing parts (what a nice guy, I enjoy just talking to him he's got some great stories) and keeps me updated on any new info on the gun itself.

I have posted some pic's at the end of the therad

I have never seen a trigger guard like that..........before

no - looks rather Germanic

what do you want to do with it?

Looks like a very worthwhile project, especially with the family connection.
I Know that there are others here with a ton more expertise than me, but IMO, I would salvage the metal, and restock back to the traditional Parker style of the day. I wouldn't want to condemn the trigger guard as incorrect out of hand, but would examine it carefully for signs of modifications. There's likely to be some evidence of welding/modification in the hidden areas on the backside.

That stock is in the traditional style of the day. The only thing I would question is the strange trigger guard strap..... Get a Research Letter on that gun - it may just hav been ordered that way or returned for that modification.


A stock of mine which is also a gun of that particular era. Note the similarity in the nose of the comb.

Next is a wonderful example of what Parker Bros. would do to a trigger guard strap upon request.


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Did Parker Pages have a write-up on that gun or am I remembering Double Gun Journal?

The AAHE trap gun Robin?





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Yes, I believe it was John's grandfather's gun.

Right - I don't recall a Parker Pages article specifically on that gun but I believe there was a DGJ article on it. I do remember John posted the history and provenance, extensive pictures of the gun, his great-grandfather, great-grandmother, and the dozens upon dozens of trophies taken with it, on the PGCA Forum almost ten years ago.

It would be very nice if John would do that again as a treat to the old-timers in this organization but, as well, for the hundreds of new members who have never seen it up close and personal. :clap:





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Or they can see it up close in person if they go to the New Years Day shoot at Major Waldron's.

Amazing gun.

If John comes.





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That is a nice gun I would like to see all the engraving. It's a pin lifter no? Beautiful feather stock. ch

sky is the limit

The stock is original. The guard is VERY interesting. Are you able to post some additional photos focusing on just that?

The sculpting of the frame forward of the lock plates is unusual - I've not seen one like that before.





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how are the bores of bbl?

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Not notice that at first Dean. Yes. Usually that line hugs the lock plate a lot more. Typically by no more than roughly 1/4".

I'll post more pic's when I get the parts back, in the mean time I'm posting pic's of the trigger guard in a reply to Dean Roming

Sorry I don't have a camera that shows good detail but here are some pic's of the trigger guard. It looks like the guard was cut then the scroll was then welded to the guard, very nicely done and feels very natural when you shoulder the gun.Attachment 51666

Attachment 51667

Attachment 51668

little customization for customers comfort

A little hard to tell, but that guard COULD be original. The engraving on the front and back certainly is. And there is no sign of the front screw hole being filled.

Interesting.
If they wanted a pistol grip, they should have ordered one.

I would say it is original and special order. I'd sure like to see the letter on that gun.






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Some years ago I owned a early four digit lifter that I bought from Ron Kirby and it had the same trigger guard bow. It was factory....

Dave, send us a copy of the letter on that gun, and maybe pictures. Thanks.

Bill always assumes that everyone has a letter for every gun they have owned.

Wouldnt that be nice.