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keavin nelson 02-19-2023 10:15 AM

8 gauge choke dimensions
 
I recently went looking for a listing of choke dimensions for the 8 gauge, and came up with.......nothing.
Greener, Howe, Dunlap and TPS, zip, nada! :shock:

Having the opportunity to measure a number of 8 gauges recently, I found a large variability. :cool:

So, does anyone have a reference which published "standard" choke dimensions for the 8 gauge:corn:

Mike Koneski 02-19-2023 10:22 AM

Maybe Josh has a source?

keavin nelson 02-19-2023 10:24 AM

source
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Koneski (Post 382883)
Maybe Josh has a source?

Ah, nope!

Mike Koneski 02-19-2023 10:28 AM

Might have to rely on a pattern test at 30 yards to determine the choke. In theory, the only choke that should throw a 100% pattern at 30 yards inside a 30" circle is full. 20 yards is too close and 40 yards is farther than needed.

keavin nelson 02-19-2023 10:31 AM

ok, but
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Koneski (Post 382885)
Might have to rely on a pattern test at 30 yards to determine the choke. In theory, the only choke that should throw a 100% pattern at 30 yards inside a 30" circle is full. 20 yards is too close and 40 yards is farther than needed.

A good project for your new 8 Mike!
Just looking for a published standard, as exists for every other common gauge.

Mike Koneski 02-19-2023 10:38 AM

I may just do that. Usually don't pattern any guns unless I'm using said gun for turkey, then I'll shoot a know distance at a turkey head/neck target since that is the same thing as shooting at a live turkey. Might do a point of impact test, but not a pattern.

Dean Romig 02-19-2023 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Koneski (Post 382885)
Might have to rely on a pattern test at 30 yards 20 yards is too close and 40 yards is farther than needed.


But Parker Bros. Standard pattern board test for most gauges and at which distance the choke was determined, was 40 yards.





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Mike Koneski 02-19-2023 11:41 AM

Theoretically speaking, at 40 yards you won't have any choke pattern at 100% with modern load data. Plus, why step off another 10 yards when it's not needed.

Craig Larter 02-19-2023 12:02 PM

I do not have any published data but do have three Parkers with letters that specify choke, 60660 8ga O grade letter says RH 115 #4 pellets in a 30" circle at 40 yards LH same. The chokes measure .025/.026. 157318 PH 8ga specifies in the letter RH modified, LH full and the chokes measure .038/.042. 161252 GH 8ga specifies in the letter to pattern with BB shot RH full, LH full. The chokes measure .046/.045.
It seems to me from a very limited sample that the restrictions are the same you would encounter in 12 and 10ga guns.

Mike Koneski 02-19-2023 12:35 PM

Makes sense to me Craig. .025/.026 should be IM/IM, .038/.042 should be F/XF and .046/.045 should be XF/XF.

Mike Koneski 02-19-2023 03:18 PM

Craig, the letter for my gun specified it should "shoot buckshot close". I'm going to figure both barrels are either F or XF. It was surmised that since this gun was ordered for a lumber company in the FL panhandle in 1906 that they had either a bear or gator problem they wanted to control. Buckshot out of a 34" 8 bore would be bad-medicine for those critters!

Frank Srebro 02-20-2023 07:52 AM

Typical 10 and 8-gauge choke constrictions may be easily calculated using high school math and a "direct proportion" by using the surface area of a nominal 12-gauge .729" bore (Pi x R^2) and 12 gauge choke constrictions, and proportioning by using your measured 10 or 8-gauge bore diameter/surface area. Use 10-20-30 and 40 thou for 12-gauge IC-Mod-Imp Mod and X-Full). I could do that for you by hand or with an excel formula but as my sophomore high school professor Mr O'Hara used to say, that's your homework assignment. :)

Hey Mike, "a friend" suggested you give me a free round if I do that for you. :rotf:

Mike Franzen 02-20-2023 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Srebro (Post 382959)
Typical 10 and 8-gauge choke constrictions may be easily calculated using high school math and a "direct proportion" by using the surface area of a nominal 12-gauge .729" bore (Pi x R^2) and 12 gauge choke constrictions, and proportioning by using your measured 10 or 8-gauge bore diameter/surface area.

What Frank said …. I agree ….. 100% ….. :shock::shock:

Mike Koneski 02-20-2023 11:38 AM

By using direct proportions to convert 12g (using a .729 bore) to 8g bore/chokes, it works out to-
IC .010 = .012, M .020 = .023, IM .030 = .035 and F .040 = .046.

My bores are R .846 and L .847. R choke is .828 (.018) or LM. L choke is .831 (.016) which should also be LM.

I know someone will double check this and definitely tell me if I'm wrong. :whistle:

Using the 3.14 x radius squared I still come up with LM-M choking.

Frank Srebro 02-20-2023 01:35 PM

Naaah Mikey, that's an oversimplification. You must use the surface area of the 12 gauge and 8 gauge bores, as measured. On the measurement it's my experience that bore mikes made to measure up to 12-gauge bore diameters will "drift" and read somewhat oversize with 10-gauge bores, and no doubt an even greater drift if the mike can be expanded for 8-gauge bores. From what I understand the nominal 8-gauge bore is .835" diameter. Probably best to "slug" the barrel with a somewhat larger lead slug and measure same with a caliper or regular 1" outside mike.

Mike Koneski 02-20-2023 02:08 PM

Using the Pi x R squared for bore and choke of 12 and 8 should give me the surface area. Still came up with LM-M.

Mike Koneski 02-20-2023 02:14 PM

As for slugging the bores and micing the slugs, I won't be doing that. I don't need to know an exact choke constriction. Choke is irrelevant. Just put the muzzle at the right place and you break the clay or kill the bird. :) You know the thought process behind it my friend.

I was just curious as to how the chokes break down compared to the 12g as the OP was asking about. :corn: Tight chokes leave diesel smoke. Open chokes leave big pieces. I say "Smoke 'em if you got 'em!!" :rotf::rotf:

Frank Srebro 02-20-2023 03:13 PM

Mike et al., I had some time and plugged .835" bore into my choke calculation excel spreadsheet and here are the theoretical constrictions for 8-gauge. As always actual choke efficiency (percentage in 30" dia circle at 40 yards) depends on other factors to include shot sizing, bore "roughness measurement", choke profile and others. Bottom line, there's no substitute for testing on paper.

8-Gauge IC = 13 thou
Mod = 24 thou
I-Mod = 34 thou
Full = 47 thou
X-Full = 52 thou

Mike Koneski 02-20-2023 04:20 PM

Good to see our numbers are only off by .001". Probably due to me using .846 instead of .835. THX!!


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