Remington Primers

[Ed Blake]

My supplier cannot get Remington 209s, and when I do find them they are outrageously expensive. I load 18 grs. Claydot under 7/8 oz. in Remington hulls with STS 209s at about 6,000 psi. According to the data its a middle of the road load. I recently started substituting Winchesters for this load, and Alliant says that is OK, but I don't know the pressure. Winchesters aside, is there a better substitute for Remington 209s? Thanks.

[John Dallas]

Here's a primer comparison from Tom Armbrust:

http://www.armbrust.acf2.org/primersubs.htm

[Dave Suponski]

Ed, I had the same scenerio happen here in CT. I did what you did...I switched to Winchester and my PSI stayed very close to what I had with the Remington STS primer. Winchesters are a hell of a lot cheaper too!

[Daryl Corona]

Ed,
I agree with Dave. I'm loading 17.0gr Clays (Claydot is a clone of Clays), 3/4oz 7 1/2's with WW12L or Fed12SO wad in either a AA or Rem. case and the WW209 primer. What a mild load, clean burning and it crushes targets. I've found no difference in performance in either hull. Pressures are in the low to mid 6000 range psi. I've always liked the old AA hull but STS's are the nicest looking when reloaded. Don't overlook the Rem. green Gun Club hulls. They are great to reload. Bottom line is if I have Rem209 I use them, if not WW209 are perfect substitutions.

[Ed Blake]

I use Gun Clubs also, but the Win 209s don't always seat flush. That does not happen with the STSs or Nitros.

[E Robert Fabian]

A few of us have been substituting the Win. 209 with the Fiocchi at a 115.00 a case (5000) I think.

[Daryl Corona]

Ed,
I checked some of my Gun Club reloads and all my WW209's are flush. Don't know why yours won't seat flush. What machine are you using?

[Jeff Christie]

I had the same problem of failure to seat Win 209 primers flush w/ the Gun Club case. I use an OLD Mec 600. I put 2 small (thin) washers under the primer station ram and they seat perfectly. Might work for you.

[Paul Harm]

The Cheddites are even cheaper. Through our supplier they're $105/5000 where the Win are $145/5000 - the Rem were $185/5000. Remington [ through the grape vine ] isn't making any reloading supplies right now - they're too far behind on military contracts. I've been useing the Cheddites for a couple of years with zero problems.

[Ed Blake]

I use a MEC 9000 and have solved the problem by lowering the powder drop tube about 1/8". Primers seat flush now.

[Daryl Corona]

Paul;
You have been substituting Cheddites for Win 209's? I'm getting ready to buy primers this weekend at a supplier and maybe I'll get some Cheds along with some Wins. to try out. Can't find any data for Cheds in the 3/4 oz load I'm using. What load are you using them in?
Ed;
The supplier in PA that I use just got Rem209's in at $189.00/5000. The Win209's are $135.00/5000. If you are in need of the Rems. I would be happy to pick you up some and meet you somewhere in between to deliver.
Daryl

[Ed Blake]

Darryl - I've substituted win 209 for Rem 209. I've never used Cheddites. I will get back to you. Will be in Baltimore next week. How close are you? I may switch to Winchester 209. Ben at Hodgden said it makes very little difference.

[Daryl Corona]

Ed;
Where are you going in Balto? I'm within 15-20 mins of downtown. I'm heading up Sat., so let me know.

[Ed Blake]

Daryl, you have a PM.

[Paul Harm]

Just about all primers are mild except the Federals. Yes I know there are small differences but normally not enough to make a difference. The Cheddites will sub for the Win.

[Daryl Corona]

Thanks for the heads up on the Cheddite 209's Paul. I bought 5000 of them last weekend and loaded them in my 12ga. 3/4oz. load. Could'nt tell any difference between them and the WW209's. I don't think I'll ever load anything but the 3/4oz. load from now on. What a pleasure to shoot and their performance is on a par with the 7/8oz. as far as target breaking. Now I'm saving even more per shell with a dramatic reduction in recoil. Less is really more. Can't wait to try them on my 3/4oz. 20ga. load.:)