Has anyone Heard of this Manufacturer?

[Eric Estes]

I came across this gun and have been unable to find out anything about it. Anyone ever hear of them before? Thanks.
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[Rich Anderson]

Nice looking gun. Have you tried a Google search of the maker?

[Dean Romig]

Ask about it over on gunshop.com

Lots of knowledgable folks over there.

[Rick Losey]

Proof marks? they could narrow down the location and even a time span.

[Eric Estes]

Yes I tried Google and came up empty. I have asked the owner for pics of the water table and barrel flats to see if proof or other marks there can shed some light. I will give it a try on the double gun forum. Thought I would give it a whirl here first. Thanks for the responses.

[Rick Losey]

unless you know some one with a library of Geoffrey Boothroyd's books, as suggested, the doublegunshop folks are the next best place.


looks like a nice piece

[charlie cleveland]

looks like a nice well made piece to me...lots of nice engraving too.... charlie

[George Lander]

By the looks of it I wouldn't be surprised if it was an American Maker along the lines of George T. Abbey Post it over on doublegunshop, as Dean & O.H. said. Perhaps Bill McPhail would recognize it. JMHO

Best Regards, George

[Bill McPhail]

Don't know the name right off-will look in my reference books tonight. Looks to be on
a Scott action. Pictures of the action and barrell would be very helpful as to origin.
Nice medium grade gun in good condition
Reguards
Bill McPhail

[John Campbell]

Eric:
Just from the photos you have, I'd say the odds are it's a British gun. Or at least the bits came to the US from UK, and were finished up here. I can find no maker by that name in Boothroyd's directory -- or any of the Nigel Brown books. Thus, I think the "maker" was American, but got his components from Britain. The basic cut of the frame looks very much like it was made at W. & C. Scott.

Best, Kensal

[Eric Estes]

Thanks to all and in particular Bill and Kensal for taking the time to look into this. I hope you can turn something up Bill.

[Bill McPhail]

Have looked in my reference books and no mention of this maker. It appears to me to be
a Birmingham gun made on a Scott action. Scott supplied alot to actions to the gun trade
and this gun has the typical engraving and style of 1880's to 1900's mid grade Birmingham
Shotguns. Much better condition than usually seen. There is nothing to suggest it was
made or finished in the US.
Reguards
Bill McPhail

[Eric Estes]

Thanks Bill. Well that narrows it down somewhat. I am working on getting pictures of the proof stamps and anything else that might help narrow it down further. I appreciate your help.

[Eric Estes]

I was able to get a few more pics of the proof marks on the barrel flats from the owner. I am not sure if this adds any more information. Thanks for your continued help.
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[Rick Losey]

ok - Birmingham proof marks -

"Not for Ball" indicated choke and was only used between 1875 and 1887

[Eric Estes]

Any idea what the "13" signifies?

[Rick Losey]

Any idea what the "13" signifies?

that is the bore size

is the other tube marked, is the "2B" in the one shot a 12B?

[Eric Estes]

I thought it might be the bore. I am not sure on ?2B at the edge of one picture. Unfortuantely I do not have the gun in hand. It is in California and I am in Maryland. I am researching as a favor to the owner, and for my own curiosity. Unfortunately I have not been able to get the all of the pictures needed. Still working on that.

[Mark Dube]

12 B (bore) over 13m(muzzle) is an early indication of the amount of choke present.

[Rick Losey]

12 B (bore) over 13m(muzzle) is an early indication of the amount of choke present.

yup - thats the marks on the "not for ball" tube, I missed the 3M :cheers:

[Dean Romig]

I thought "B & S" was 'Ball and Shot' ?

[Bill McPhail]

Agree with recent posts. Do not know of "B & S" Fully Birmingham proofs. At minimum
barrelled action made in England-most likely fully made in England.
Bill McPhail

[Mark Dube]

The location and format of B&S mark suggests go me it is the mark of the barrel maker.

[Destry L. Hoffard]

Yeah I agree with Mark, the B&S is probably the maker of the tubes. I've got a 6 gauge double that's marked W&S for Wooley & Sargent.

DLH

[George Lander]

Could possibly be BRIDGEN & SHARP, Birmingham 19 1/2 Whittall St. B'ham 1879-1883 (from Boothroyd's Directory)

Best Regards, George

[Rick Losey]

Could possibly be BRIDGEN & SHARP, Birmingham 19 1/2 Whittall St. B'ham 1879-1883 (from Boothroyd' Directory)

Best Regards, George

well - those dates would line up with the "not for ball" stamping usage

[Dave Suponski]

I thought BS was something else.

[charlie cleveland]

destrey how about some info on that 6 ga double....always wondered if they ever made a 6 ga britch loader...some body on here said they owned a shot a 6 ga with brass shells...ive seen a 6 ga percussion gun a double.... charlie

[Rick Losey]

I thought BS was something else.

you're thinking of degrees

BS

MS (more of same)

PHD (piled higher and deeper)

[Dave Suponski]

:rotf: