Cheddite primers

[Eric Grims]

Anybody have a comment on substituting cheddite 209 for win209 when it comes to pressure. The cheddite2000 is said to be hotter but are there concerns about pushing the load too far. Thanks

[John Dallas]

According to Tom Armbrust, Cheddites are mild:

http://www.armbrust.acf2.org/primersubs.htm

[Dave Suponski]

Yup..I agree Cheddites are a bit milder.

[Eric Grims]

Great. Have not seen that. Appreciate the info.

[Paul Harm]

Been useing them for years - can't remember a misfire - and as said before pressures are the same or lower. Paul

[charlie cleveland]

just looked to see if i had some chedite primers i did but they were the 157 cheditite.. some of which is the same as the old rem. 57 primer... is the chedite primer cheaper in price than whinchesters... charlie

[Eric Grims]

I have always found them cheaper than the winchesters. I buy by the thousand and they are cheaper at the gun shows and a local club where I usually find them. I never had a bad one and never pierced one.

[Paul Harm]

I buy em by the brick [ 5000 ] and they're $105 - Win 135. Paul

[charlie cleveland]

good price on the chedites... even the winchesters are a lot cheaper thanin my area usally about 45.00 for a thosand ...thats interesting to know paul that youve had such good luck with those primers espically with all the shells you reload... charlie

[Paul Harm]

If I had to reload at retail prices I'd be shooting a lot less - the guys at my club put in an order to a wholesaler about 4 times a year - it saves us a lot of money. Paul

[John Farrell]

I buy Cheddites here in MN for 105.00 a brick. They indeed are softer than Federal or Winchester. I am not so sure about their performance when shooting from the 25-27 yard markers in trapshooting. For those yardages I am with Fed 209A.

[Pete Lester]

I buy Cheddites here in MN for 105.00 a brick. They indeed are softer than Federal or Winchester. I am not so sure about their performance when shooting from the 25-27 yard markers in trapshooting. For those yardages I am with Fed 209A.

Your 40 yard patterns show an increase in the percentage of pellets inside a 30" circle by going to the Fed 209A in the same load? Or are they going faster through your chrono? If so on either how much of difference is it?

[charlie cleveland]

very interesting.... charlie

[John Farrell]

There are more pellets in the 30" circle with the Fed 209A than with the Cheds. But then, I am shooting 1 ounce with the cheddites and 1 1/8 ounce with the Fed 209A. So there really isn't a true test of side by side loads. I loaded the 1 ounce trap loads in what I thought was a thorough test and came to the conclusion that the 1 ounce load was costing me 5-6 targets in 100 simply because they didn't hit the target hard enough using Cheds and Green Dot.

Shooting the Feds under 700X in the 1 1/8 ounce load there is a marked difference in speed to the target at the further distances. Up close the 1-2 targets per 25 I was giving up vanished with the Feds and 1 1/8 ounce loads. I generally feel that spending a lot of time with chronos, charts and whatever is a waste of time. The name of the game is breaking clays. When they break they count. When they merely leave some dust behind, that is a lost bird. The advantage of the 1 ounce load is the lighter recoil and cost savings in lead and powder. JF

[charlie cleveland]

what chokes are you using with these loads ..... charlie

[John Farrell]

Charlie - I am using a Mod choked 12 gauge for the 1 ounce loads at 16 yards and for the 1 1/8 ounce load, too. For the yardage 1 1/8 ounce loads, depending on the wind, it is either IM or LF. Since I make my own shot the cost differential for 1 ounce vs. 1 1/8 ounce loads is immaterial. The hotter Fed 209A shot velocity contributes to whacking the clay target harder and making chips or soot the result.

[charlie cleveland]

john i would like to hear how you make the shot if possible.....thanks for the choke info... charlie

[John Farrell]

Charlie - PM to me your e mail address. I can explain the shotmaking process better if I can send photos of the shotmaker with the chat. My e mail is; jfarrell@lakedalelink.net. I don't want to learn still another method of posting photos on the Parker site. I barely know how to post photos on email. JF

[Paul Harm]

What's the difference between IM and LF ? It used to be LM was .025 and full .030. But now with all these full chokes - turkey and so forth they probably have .030 to .050. So is the LF now .030 and Full something tighter? Paul

[John Farrell]

I shoot a Kolar trap gun. It weighs 11.5 lbs with a 34" unsingle barrel. Their chokes are;
LM .015 - M .020 - IM .025 - LF .030 - F .035