sr 7625

[john pulis]

Hi all,

I have been loading 7625 in 12g AA/HS, STS, Nitro, and GC hulls with the CB 1078clone (21 grains) and Win 209 primers. This breaks clays when I am on, but burns very dirty. Would a hotter primer (Federal 209) burn cleaner? Or should I use a cleaner burning powder (any suggestions). The low pressure and recoil are great on this old SxS (Parker GH/Smith Grade 3), not to mention my shoulder and I have no problem cleaning after each shoot but for some reason I tend to associate this residue with an inefficient load, although it came from the Hogdon's site. All advice and recommendations are greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
john

[Frank Cronin]

I use IMR 7625 and it is dirty but I use it for my 44 MAG target loads so I don't have all this powder laying around. And for special effects, I like the smoke when you pull the spent shells from the chamber.....

IMR powder PB is a good choice and burns much cleaner. As for going to a hotter primer, I would be careful regarding higher pressures than a dirty barrel.

I always refer to the powder manufacturer's load data and I refer to it quite often matching all the components to ensure safe pressures for my old guns.

http://www.hodgdon.com/basic-manual-inquiry.html

[David Holes]

7625 seems to be dirty if I am shooting light payloads. I shot some 7/8 with alot of powder residue left. Upped it to 1 oz. and the dirty problem got lots better. I tend to agree that it is a sign of an inefficient load. Dave

[Dave Suponski]

I have used SR 7625 for years in my 16 gauge and 12 gauge light loads. When it became a little hard to find around here I switched to PB and found it to be a much cleaner burning powder. As Frank stated be careful about substituting different primers as the effect pressure.I use Winchesters to good effect.

[John Dallas]

I've used 800X a lot, and it also is dirty, but the reduced recoil and (in my opinion) better patterns make the inconveience of a dirty barrel worth it,

All Primers are not created equal.
Data below is from Tom Armbrust

Shotshell Primer Comparison
Winchester 12-Ga. 2-3/4" AA Hull
17.0 Grains IMR 700-X Powder
Greenduster GT 9210-12 Wad
One Ounce No. 8 Lead Shot

Primer and Lot Velocity f.p.s. Chamber Pressure p.s.i.
Fed. 209A 03513 1251 (EV 14) 10,860 (EV 600)
CCI-209M D03C 1248 (EV 22) 10,460 (EV 1300)
Win. 209 NFL124 1246 (EV 22) 10,140 (EV 400)
Rem. 209STS 1236 (EV 16) 9,740 (EV 2200)
FIO-616 1234 (EV 28) 9,690 (EV 1600)
CCI-209 B032 1232 (EV 30) 9,650 (EV 2300)
Rem. 209P 127 1228 (EV 34) 8,810 (EV 2200)
Fed. 209 A8702 1226 (EV 18) 9,070 (EV 900)
Win. 209 MDL542 1224 (EV 30) 10,200 (EV 1700)
Cheddite 209 1217 (EV 20) 9,270 (EV 2000)

[Robert Rambler]

I've found Clays to be one of the cleanest burning for low pressure loads. Here's two of my favorites.

Federal paper hull
Win. 209 primer
1 oz magnum shot
windjammer wad
18 gr clays powder
5800 psi, 1180 fps

Rem gun club or STS hull
Win 209 primer
1 oz magnum shot
Rem TGT12 wad
16.3 Clays powder
6500 psi, 1125 fps

[Daryl Corona]

I agree Robert. Clays is extremely clean and soft shooting. 16.7gr. pushing a WWSL pink [1oz] wad, WW209, 7/8oz. in either a AA, STS or Gun club or Cheddite. Shoot it all day and you'll never shoot anything else.

[charlie cleveland]

i agree too clays is a very clean burn and soft on gun and shoulder...i load the ten ga some time with clays and 1 ounce shot 6 point crimp....this load fires good in cold wather good too.... charlie

[john pulis]

I want to thank you all for the advice and recommednations.

[Paul Harm]

I like 700X - used it in the 1970's for trap, and now for all my target shooting. A year or two ago I used PB - very clean but one of the most expensive powders. I now load just under 7/8oz [ in 12ga ] with Cheddite primers [ same as Win. ] - Claybuster wads, 0178 or 4100 - and from 15 to 17grs of 700X. That's good for 5600 to 7200psi - FPS goes up a bit. Most of the guys load 7/8oz in my club except for a few die hards who think you need 1 1/8oz . Paul

[Daryl Corona]

I feel sorry for those shooters at your club, my club and most of the clubs I shoot in that they refuse to accept the effectiveness of 7/8oz. loads. Most of the blame falls upon the shoulders of the major ammo companies and the governing bodies of the NSSA, ATA and NCSA by not mandating the reduced loads. International trap is limited to a 24gm load and they found that their scores did not go down in fact their averages increased. We as shooters could pull a public relations coup by showing that we are depositing less lead in the environment. This should be spearheaded by the major ammo companies and the aforementioned governing bodies. It is almost impossible to find a 1150-1200fps load in 7/8oz at a reasonable price at outlets like Dicks, Wallymart and Cabelas. Lead is the most expensive component and the most environmentally sensitive portion of a shotshell. This a no-brainer for me and a win-win for the shooting community. Thanks for allowing my rant- it's getting lonely up here on my soapbox. I'm done. I'm heading to the armory to load up some 7/8's.
Daryl

[charlie cleveland]

we have to many laws now i think it should be left up to the individual to what load you wanna use be it trap skeet or field...just my opinion..... charlie

[Daryl Corona]

Charlie,
I'm by no means suggesting laws handed down by a bunch of overstuffed government pinheads. I hate laws. I'm saying that by being proactive we can forestall any future lead bans which I'm afraid are inevitable. The tree huggers will see that less lead is being deposited which just might placate them long enough for our grandchildren to enjoy these wonderful old guns in the uplands. We've already lost the wetlands.

[Rodney Short]

i to am looking for some data for either using red dot and sr7625, ill be using the loads in 2 remington 12 gauge 1894 damascus, my stanfort and laxton 12 gauge english hammer gun, also my lefever 12 gauge sidelock grade g, i shoot black in them now, i have winchester AA white wads, lots of high brass winchester hull and federal low brass hulls, also have some winchester 209 and remington rst primers, also have some federal pink wads for 1 1/4 oz, also i have fiber wads, federal plastic shot cups, they have no cushion, also i have about 500 hornady pacific green verilite wads for 7/8oz, anybody have data that i can use some of the above components to construct a load of about 1100-1150 fps, ill be using 2 3/4" hulls just want lite bird and skeet loads,

[john pulis]

Rodney,

Hogdons has an extended list of loads for 7625, some with Winchester and Remington hulls, primers, and Claybuster clones. The softest I have loaded used 7625 with Fed paper and the above loads. broke clays just fine with my old Damascus SxS when I was on. I purchased some of the newer 3/4 oz. wads and they work well too. PB works well but not as soft as soft as 7625.

Good shooting,
John

[Paul Harm]

Jent, I don't believe detonation has ever occured in shotgun shells. There must have been another problem. In 40+ yeads of reloading I have never read in any shotgun reloading manual about the dangers of detonation or wad pressure increasing PSI. JMHO-Paul

[Paul Harm]

Some powders do burn clean or dirty. If you were reloading and the powder seemed fine so far as residue, and you went a lesser payload or powder and there was more reisue, then yes you could say there was incomplete combustion and maybe a different combination should be used. As far as wad pressure you need no more than just enough to seat the wad against the powder. Any more and you're just collapsing the cushion part of the wad which defeats it's purpose. Paul

[Pete Lester]

Jent, I don't believe detonation has ever occured in shotgun shells. There must have been another problem. In 40+ yeads of reloading I have never read in any shotgun reloading manual about the dangers of detonation or wad pressure increasing PSI. JMHO-Paul

Wad pressure became irrelevant in shotgun reloading with the advent of the plastic shot cup. Just be sure the wad is seated on the powder or you'll have a squib.

[paul stafford jr]

hi john......most slow burning powders like 7625 or 800x have very low chamber pressures but may often have large verations in feet per second and are very dirty because of the lite loads to acheve these low psi. they are dirty because they are not ment to be used in very lite loads. they were made to be used in high performance loads and shoot much cleaner when the pressure gos up to the 10,000 psi range. but i would not recomend these type pressures in any of our fine old parkers. i would recomend trying the new winchester AA LITE , burns very clean ,psi in the 5000 psi range. check out there loadingd tables and i think you will be happy and safe.my son and i use this in our twist steel and damascus parkers for skeet and sporting clays

[Paul Harm]

Paul, we're getting ready to order reloading supplies at my club. I've been useing Promo for my lite 12ga loads which are dirty [ I don't mind it ]. A lot of the guys over on shotgunworld.com recommend the extralite powder. Think it would work in the 10ga for lite loads ? I've been thinking of trying it.

[Dennis V. Nix]

Double Lab unfortunately you will never placate the tree huggers. They are quite content to take an inch at a time until they have it all. If you could devise a way to have a shell shoot only one number 6 pellet it would still not be enough to satisfy them. Dianne Feinstein is all over the television now saying she just wants to take assault weapons off the street and doesn't want to do anything to legitimate hunters and target shooters. She, herself, carries a handgun wherever she goes yet wants to make it illegal for you and I to carry for our protection. They are never satisfied.

[Paul Harm]

I'm going to Clay Dot - it has less pressure than Extra-lite - and a lot of guys claim it burns clean. It's also one the powders Claybusters recomends for their 3/4oz loads. Now to see if I can come up with something in 10ga loads with it. Maybe even in my brass shells.