10 Ga. Trap

[Russ Jackson]

Okay guys ,here goes ,I would like opinions on this Hammer Gun ,I recently acquired ,this gun ,Serial #27425, I beleive this gun to be a very early Double Barreled 10 Ga. Trap Gun . On Page 392 ,Volume 1 ,TPS ,The book shows H & D Folsom ,New York order a special run of Trap guns from Parker Bros. ,The guns are mostly 10 Ga. guns w/ a slightly higher Rib and a special Butt treatment with a Flying Pigeon instead of the standard Dogs Head ! I recently have purchased what appears to be ," Possibly " one of these " Rare " guns ,in TPS ,it says at the time of Printing ,none of these guns have ever been found or even seen . Since publication ,have any of you Gentlemen seen any of these guns ? Does any one else have one ? Pictures will follow ,just haven't had time to take any yet ! My guns date is a little earlier than " THE Folsom " order ,but I thought it possible they may have used up some guns that were in house , Any Ideas ?? I ordered a Letter last week and am looking forward to its arrival ,although ,TPS says there wasn't very much documentation to these guns ! Russ

[Destry L. Hoffard]

Several of the guys on the forum have them, there's been quite a few discussion threads in relation to them and pics of the buttplates posted. I had one years ago, it was my first Parker actually.

Destry

[Russ Jackson]

Hello Destry , Do you have any idea how many there are , and what the serial # range is ?

[Destry L. Hoffard]

I'm sure somebody will point you towards a thread where all that information came out. I never paid big time attention because I didn't have mine anymore and hadn't for years.

Destry

[Russ Jackson]

You know ,Ive been hanging around here a while and missed this ,must not have been paying enough of attention ,the gun is nice for as old as it is ,I like unique items and figured this may be out of the ordinary ! Nice Butt Plate also, worn as it should be but still in nice shape !

[charlie cleveland]

good luck with the trap 10 ga...charlie

[David Holes]

I was looking at that gun also. found interesting, but the numbers did not match the production timetable. Let us know what you find thanks Dave

[Russ Jackson]

Hi Dave ,I have her cleaned up nice and it is a lot nicer than it first appeared ,I realized the time table but am hoping the gun was in house unsold and my letter will show that H & D Folsom purchased the gun from Parker in the correct period !Everything looks good ,even the rib seems a little higher than some and the Butt Plate is correct ! The Gun isn't the same as the serialization book ,the book shows ,Capped pistol grip ,this gun has a Ball Grip and the book says 30" Lam. Barrels and the guns barrels are 32 ! I am looking forward to the letter ,all #'s match including the # on the stock under the Trigger Guard !

[Dave Suponski]

Congratulations Russ! Now get off the couch and take some pictures...:whistle:

[Jeff Kuss]

12 ga. and 10 ga

[Dean Romig]

Jeff, is that a Parker piano stool supporting those two "Trap Guns"?

[Russ Jackson]

Just getting in ,went out a bit , Jeff ,would you mind telling the years of your Trap Guns ?The one appears by the Butt Plate that it was used much more than the other ! Dave ,I will get my Butt off the couch tomorrow in the day light ,I never get good pictures in house ,all I ever seem to get is glare ! Does anyone know ,Are there many of these around ?

[Dean Romig]

[QUOTE=Russ Jackson;42730]I never get good pictures in house ,all I ever seem to get is glare ! QUOTE]

Russ, the Summer Solstice is nearly upon us... you can turn off the "Seasonal Light Deprivation Lamps" off now. That should reduce the glare :corn:

Hey, are you coming to Hausman's Hidden Hollow in early June? Eh-eh - No excuses!!

[Russ Jackson]

Hey Dean ,I will take care of those lamps as soon as it quits raining everyday:rotf:,and Hausmans ,probably not , if I just didn't have to work for a living ; Translation " How do we afford more Parkers " .

[Dean Romig]

Hey Dean , if I just didn't have to work for a living ; Translation " How do we afford more Parkers " .


Russ, that's an overused and very feeble excuse... in fact, you used it last year :shock:

Please try to take the time off and get to Hausman's - you would absolutely love it!! And we would love to have you enjoy the good times with all of us. Who's your boss? Who can I call? :draw:

[Patrick Lien]

12 ga. and 10 ga

:) Super cool!!!

[Jeff Kuss]

Yes, it is a parker stool. Serial #s 46035 and 47625.

[David Holes]

It is srarting to sound exciting, wouldn't that be great if it is correct. Dave

[Russ Jackson]

Well ,I got off my duff and took a couple of pics. ,What do you think ?

[Jeff Kuss]

I recently picked up this envelope. Does anyone know the relationship between ND Folsom and H D Folsom?

[Drew Hause]

Infro about Henry and David here Jeff; no mention of N.D.
http://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1OxZo5Tkvx2G8eYf747QR9B5RJdN6Siu5JGIhfguSXX Q

[charlie cleveland]

very old and interesting mail...i see the date marm at 1894... and a 2 cent stamp....wonder what was said in letter..... charlie

[Jeff Kuss]

I don't want to hijack Russ's topic, but here is the back of the envelope and letter.

[Russ Jackson]

Jeff ,don't worry about hijacking anything ,this stuff all pertains and is all very interesting ! Thank you for the posts ! Russ

[Jack Cronkhite]

From Cornell Publications LINK (http://www.cornellpubs.com/old-guns/item_desc.php?item_id=116)

The index to Breechloading Shotguns 1860-1940 Vol. I A-F by Joseph T. Vorisek (Cornell Publications) shows these four

Folsom, Charles
Folsom, EA
Folsom, H. & D. Arms Co.
Folsom, N.D.

From the Yale Banner of 1885 page 256 on Crown Street
LINK (http://books.google.ca/books?id=9CLOAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA256&lpg=PA256&dq=%22n.d.+folsom%22+shotguns&source=bl&ots=2KAmXOZxU6&sig=NXBhdO0yKhmFg4HMwZ0KPv4ZWHU&hl=en&ei=Y7_PTa8szrnRAdbE8OgN&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false)

From the Yale Banner 1890 page 13 (now on Church Street)

LINK (http://books.google.ca/books?id=ZxHOAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA13&dq=%22n.d.+folsom%22+cornell&hl=en&ei=JMTPTY6uMZOw0QH4uPSRDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false)

From PGCA

http://www.parkerguns.org/forums/showthread.php?t=683

From these I gather N.D. Folsom is a company in its own right
Was located in New Haven, CT
113 Crown Street then 5 Church Street

Okay, coffee is brewed. Gotta get a cup.

Cheers,
Jack

[Rich Anderson]

Dean the "Boss" is undoubtly Mrs. Jackson you will have to contact her to see if Russ can come out and play:rotf:

[Russ Jackson]

UNDOUBTEDLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!:rotf:

[Dave Suponski]

Russ, Is there anything I can do to help secure your "Play Time"? I will even promise the we will be good.......kinda......somewhat.....a little...:rolleyes:

[charlie cleveland]

russ youve made me wanta get out and get me one of those trap 10 gauges...i think youve bought your self a keeper... charlie

[Jeff Kuss]

Bill Zachow had an article about the trap guns in the May 2002 Parker Pages.

[Rich Anderson]

Dave you shouldn't make promises you can't keep:nono:

[Bill Zachow]

For additional information, 27425 was NOT included in Order #14744 from Folsom dated February 15, 1882. There are either additional orders from Folsom covering "trap guns" or, as I speculated in my article, Folsom was attaching their specially molded butt plates to regular Parker doubles. Order #14744 covers guns serialed as low as 26142 to as high as 29106. There were 132 guns in the order with 69 being trap guns.

[Jack Cronkhite]

Bill: I don't have 27631 but that is a number in life that has significance. From what you say, there is a chance it could have been in Order 14744. I wonder if there is any way to track down that gun, beyond of course, the august gentlemen of this forum. (I asked about it a couple years ago) :)

[Bill Zachow]

27631 is not in the order, either. Sorry about that. I checked twice. Try calling Mark and seeing if he has any info.

[Bill Murphy]

The easy way to find out what order a Trap Gun is one is to order a PGCA letter on the gun in question. Forty bucks, no fuss, no muss.

[Russ Jackson]

I ordered a letter the day I purchased the gun ,Will report back as soon as it is received ! Bill ,do you think it would say if these with the " Special Butt Plate " are Trap Guns as early as they are ? I was just hoping H&D Folsom ordered the gun and sold it ! Russ

[Bill Murphy]

I have never seen an order for a gun with a trap buttplate that was not a Folsom order. At least one that I have seen specified particular guns in the order to have trap buttplates, others to have standard buttplates. I have not seen the order with the mold.

[Russ Jackson]

Thank you Bill ,I am looking forward to my letter ,as old as these guns are ,you just never know if someone exchanged plates ,although I think it would be odd for a Trap Butt Plate to be laying around ,but it has been around for a 129 years ! Boy if they could talk ! A letter verifying what I have will be nice ! Russ

[Gary Carmichael Sr]

Russ, see my post under discussion forum