1 ounce 410 load

[charlie cleveland]

some where in my looking at things i think i saw a 410 load of 1 ounce...i may have just got this on my mind and i may have not seen one but im pretty sure i did...has anyone else out there seen a 1 ounce load in the 410..sure would be nice if someone has... charlie

[Rich Anderson]

I looked through some older 3" 410 shells and none were 1oz loads. I found no loading data for a 1oz 410 either.

[Dean Romig]

I'll bet such a load would print horrible patterns.

[Fred Preston]

Charlie, Like you, I sometimes like to mess around with ideas like a 1oz .410 load. I found some 9.3x74R cases and fire formed them in the .410 chamber. The rim and base fit right and the oal is 2&15/16". Since the S&W mod. 29 chamber is capable of handling more than 40K psi, I figured that the chamber wall thickness of the (non Parker) .410 is more than adquate to take just about anything I could load in this case. Anyway, the most shot I could get in this brass case (with thin walls, but sort of high base) was 7/8 oz using only two over powder cards (no fiber). As Dean mentioned, the pattern was pretty broad and inconsistent through the full chokes; maybe a grouse load as I have trouble conecting with that elusive poultry anyway

[Mark Landskov]

Charlie, when Winchester introduced the Model 42 in the early '30s, they or Western, announced the new 3" shell with a 3/4 ounce payload. Only in the past few years, has the 3/4 ounce load been available, again, from Winchester-Western. Ideally, the payload of shot should be 'square'. That is to say, that the height of the payload should be as close to, or equivilent to the diameter of the payload. The 16 bore has been touted as probably the most ideal shotgun because of these dimensions. Even the 3/4 ounce .410 is disproportionate in regards to the height of the payload compared to the diameter. Increasing that load would not help performance. That may be why a 1 ounce load has never been marketed.

[Paul Harm]

The guys at my club shoot 3/4, 7/8, or 1oz in the 12ga. I myself shoot between the 3/4 and 7/8 - 360grs. Now we're talking about short shot height - it seems to be like tightening up the choke. Still bangs clays and is lighter on the shoulder and wallet. Paul

[charlie cleveland]

boy i was hoping some one else had seen the 1 ounce load...im still pretty sure ive seen one but then again..... i too have fooled around with the 410 loads..you can get the 1 ounce of shot in a 3inch shell but you cannot crimp it..you can lightly roll crimp it and it will work... the wads have to be very thin against the powder to work to be able to get 1 ounce in the in the 3 in hull...i shot these loads through a 12 ga single barrel using the savage 410 tenner insert..the old sigle barrel was choked clyinder bore.. at 30 yards would have been a dead quail on paper.. always thought a tighter choke might make the pattern tighter but it might make it worse..what do yall think.... charlie

[Chuck Heald]

Charlie,
I'm an avid fourtenner, but I think 1 ounce thru a .410 with a 3" shell length is unreasonable and as others have speculated, I too think it will not perform well.

Hmmm, maybe a 3 1/2" wildcat???

I use the 3" 3/4 oz on wild pheasant and chukar with very good success. Last weekend, I shot a farm raised pheasant up the exhaust pipe from about 30 yrds with a 11/16 oz #4 shot Federal load. One shot and it was dead when it hit the ground.

[charlie cleveland]

is not the 12 ga 3 1/2 inch shell with 2 1/4 ounce load out of squire with ite lenght and depth but yet it works well...why should the 410 3 inch with 1 ounce not work well... i have shot and patterned only a few rounds of this load...but i will try a few more when i get a chance.... charlie

[Bill Murphy]

Bore the steel Savage Fourtenner out to 3 1/2" or 4" chamber and load an extra length brass .410 with an ounce of shot and try it out. One thing we know is that you're not going to blow up a 12 or 20 gauge barrel with a Fourtenner in it. There is way too much steel in there to be a problem. Don't increase the powder charge, just the shot charge. 14 or 15 grains of 296 should be about right. Pressure will probably be about 13,500. Velocity will be a little slow. Use a regular plastic wad with the petals cut off. To lower the pressure, use a powder just a tad slower than the 296, but it won't be a shotgun powder. Shoot it in a gun with choke this time. You may be surprised at the performance. Charlie, you're intent on doing this, so get going.

[charlie cleveland]

i just thought i had loaded a 3 inch 410 with 1 ounce of shot...i was using one of the old powder and shot measuring devices..turns out that 1 ounce of shot even though filled to the brim does not weigh 1 ounce using the shot measurement...i weighed thecontents of cup and it only weighed 3/4 ounce on scales...the shot measuring device is badly off by 1/4 ounce.. after putting correct amount of powder and very thin over powder card i filled the hull to the top then weighed the contents.. not hardly 7/8 ounce of shot... i retried this with no 9 shot and it weighed a little more than the no6s i was using. but still did not weigh 7/8 ounce... all said and done you can not put 1 ounce of shot in a 3 inch 410 hull with the correct powder load in it... only way to get 1 ounce in a 410 3 inch hull would be to leave out the powder..ha ive was wrong in saying that i had shot 1 ounce loads in a 410 no possible way to get that amount of shot in the hull..the shot measuring device was off by a lot so fellas i hope you check your shot measuring devices.. has anyone had this problem before.. bill you are right i will need to get me some longer cases or hulls to be able to shoot 1 ouce 410 loads...been trying to thinck how to lenthen plastic hulls but aint come up with any thing... any suggestions... charli

[Bill Murphy]

Order some 4" brass hulls from Rocky Mountain Cartridge. However, they may be a bit thick and not hold an ounce either.

[charlie cleveland]

was looking on gunbrokers collector ammo site and found a 4 1/2 inch 410 loaded round seems like some body beat me to the 1 ounce load and maybe more..looks like a lot of shot in there..hope some of you other shell collectors look at this shell and give some info on it..ive seen other loads like it but this is the longest one ive seen...lookout you big bore guns the mighty 410 is coming through..ha please some body tell us something about this round..destrey maybe you can tell us... charlie

[charlie cleveland]

caint beieve nobody aint looked at that 4 1/2 inch 410 magnum shell and give me their opinion of it... charlie