View Full Version : Repro Cases - 20ga and 28ga identical?
Mike Shepherd
12-20-2010, 12:08 PM
I have a 28 gauge Parker Reproduction I bought used about a year ago. It came with a factory case and canvas cover. The canvas cover will not go over the case, almost but not quite. Additonally the 28 gauge barrels are narrower than the fitment of the case and the 28 gauge snap caps are loose in the snap cap fitment. A 20 gauge snapcap fits correctly.
I assume that there were two different cases for 28 gauge and 20 gauge. I assume that I received a 20 gauge case with a 28 gauge canvas cover.
I have been advertising for a 28 gauge case and received an email indicating the 20 gauge and 28 gauge cases were identical.
Is this correct?
Thanks,
Mike
Joe Bernfeld
12-20-2010, 12:53 PM
I have both 20 and 28 ga cases and they are exactly the same size. Kenny sold me a cover for the 28 ga case which was very tight at first, but as he assured me, it loosened up. The 28 ga bbls. and snap caps are loose in the 28 ga case. A little extra felt for the snap caps, and moving and re-gluing the bbl. divider fixed that.
Joe
Dean Romig
12-20-2010, 01:03 PM
I think one of my Repro 28 cases is smaller than the other. I'll have to check later on this evening.
Kenny Graft
12-20-2010, 01:41 PM
410-28-20-16 single guns or combo sets all used the same size cases, interiors differ. snap caps fited for 28 or 20ga. dummys, pistol grip with grip cut out or englishn stock with no grip cut-out, 26" only lenth and 28" that may have spacer to fit 26" barrel in a 28" case. SXS ohio...(-:
Eric Eis
12-20-2010, 01:51 PM
Kenny would know.
Mike Shepherd
12-20-2010, 03:58 PM
Thanks for all the information.
Kenny, if I understood correctly, the outside dimensions of 28" barrel length cases would all be the same. The barrel section would be narrower for a 28 gauge than a 20 gauge and 20 gauge snap caps would not fit into the 28 gauge snap cap fitment. Is that correct?
I have a straight grip stock and I can see the cut out for the pistol grip stock.
Thanks,
Mike
Joe Bernfeld
12-20-2010, 04:39 PM
Kenny can chime in if he wants, but I've owned 4-28 ga Repros, and all had loose fitting barrels and snap caps. For the money, these cases were a wonderful touch when these guns came out, but I don't think they felt there was enough difference between the 28 and 20 gauges to warrant the extra expense of having each case custom fit to all the gauges. That is the impression I got when I spoke to Jack Skeuse of Reagent Chemical, years ago, about this very issue.
Joe
Kenny Graft
12-20-2010, 06:56 PM
Barrel compartment width is the same....snap cap holes are fitted to the gauge...28 or 20 I have cases that the 28ga. caps fit tight. During the close out... cases got seperated from the guns and anything could of happend? Some 16ga. snap caps have serfaced at jeffs outfitters just recently, Found in a box at the closed Cape outfitters offices.....lost from the close-out guns. I called Jeff and perchased my sets...(-: thanks all SXS ohio...(-:
Mike Shepherd
12-20-2010, 07:01 PM
Thanks Kenny and Joe. That was very helpful and informative.
Best,
Mike
Dean Romig
12-20-2010, 08:46 PM
I just went and measured the cases that my two 28 ga. Repros came in.
28 ga. snap caps fit rather loosely in the holes for them so I really can't comment on what gauge the cases were made for but 12 ga. snap caps certainly will not fit the holes.
The case that my straight grip, splinter forend gun came in is 30 1/4" long, 7 1/4" wide, 3 3/8" deep.
The case that Kathy's pistol grip, beavertail forend gun came in is 28 3/8" long, 7 1/4" wide and 3 1/8" deep.
These measurements are all outside measurements.
Both guns have 26" barrels. These measurements do not include the leather corner reinforcement patches. Both sets came with the canvas cover which fit their respective cases perfectly.
Opinions??
Mike Shepherd
12-20-2010, 09:14 PM
My case is 3-1/8" deep by 7-3/16" x 30-3/16"
I repeat myself but a twenty gauge shell or snap cap fits snugly in the snap cap hole and the 28" barrels have about an extra 1/4" of space to the side.
I am going to go try to put the cover on again.
Thanks for the info Dean.
Thanks,
Mike
Jim Tiner
12-21-2010, 04:32 PM
Would someone know who made the cases for the repo parkers?
Greg Baehman
12-21-2010, 05:51 PM
Would someone know who made the cases for the repo parkers?
It was the Italian firm Emmebi.
http://www.emmebi.it/eng/index.html
And the English firm Parker-Hale made the snap caps. The Parker Repro project was definitely an international endeavor.
Joe Bernfeld
12-21-2010, 07:44 PM
Mike, Emmebi subtly changed the interior of the cases, as well as the covers during the 5 years or so they supplied them to Reagent Chemical and Research. I have 3 versions of the covers, all different.
Mike Shepherd
12-21-2010, 07:49 PM
Thanks Joe. I stretched and pulled and heated with a clothes iron and finally got the cover over the case and zipped up. I must have a mismatched cover and case.
Thanks again,
Mike
Bob Jurewicz
12-21-2010, 08:41 PM
Mike,
Just got home from Colorado City, Tx. Great deer and pigs. Will post some pics when I catch up on sleep. Started to find lots of quail just before I left. Go figure!!
Anyway, the 28 and 20 cases differ only by snap cap hole diameter just like Ken said. I checked and unforunately both my 28" cases are for 20G. Sorrry!!!
Bob Jurewicz
Mike Shepherd
12-21-2010, 09:08 PM
Thanks for letting me know Bob.
There has been a lot of grim reports about the birds down your way. Happy to hear a more positive report.
I have an average bird crop on my lease this year and am very grateful for it.
Mike
Bill Murphy
12-22-2010, 08:15 AM
Empirical testimony on this thread would indicate that there ARE two different cases for 20 and 28 in interior dimensions, but I think there are minor differences on the outside also. This is either because Emmebi changed the exact size sometime during Repro production, or, maybe there is actually a difference in exterior dimensions between a 20 and a 28 case all through the production period. During the closeout period, cases were often sent weeks or months after the guns were shipped. This explains why hundreds of owners of 28 gauge Repros have cases with 20 gauge barrel channels and snap cap blocks. The sellers of the closeout guns probably felt that sending a case was better than sending no case. I got a perfectly fitted 2 barrel 28 gauge case from Guns Unlimited a short time after the gun arrived, but some were not so lucky. The smaller cover is probably for a slightly different case, either because of variations in Emmebi specs at different times, or maybe the tight covers are for a 28 gauge case and we are trying to fit it on a 20 gauge case. I have one of the tight covers and I cannot get it to fit on any case. I don't know whether the cases I have tried to fit my cover on are 28 or 20 gauge cases. The cover that I have that is tight was from fairly early production, but it is not a flannel case. I think the flannel cases were from very early prodution and are probably all 20 gauge covers. I think that many of us have probably never even seen the scarce flannel covers. By the way, although cases were promised and delivered during the closeout period, snap caps were not promised or delivered. I don't believe that Jaqua's or Guns Unlimited had snap caps to sell, but Don Shrum at Cape Outfitters did have some snap caps but sold them separately from the guns. I bought snap caps for my 28 gauge from Mrs. Shrum at the first PGCA meeting at Nashville. As I recall, they didn't advertise them in the gun media because supplies were a bit short. However, Mrs. Shrum had a few sets on her table at the show. They didn't last long. Over the next few years, more sets mysteriously appeared from different sources, including the ones sold on ebay not long ago for very attractive prices. I hope everyone took advantage.
Greg Baehman
12-22-2010, 09:23 AM
I bought two Repros, a 28 and a 20 during the closeout from Cape Outfitters that were to include the cases w/covers and snap caps at the closeout price. The cases arrived a couple of weeks after the guns arrived and the snap caps arrived a few days after that. No extra charge for the snap caps--Don Shrum must have taken a liken' to me!
Dean Romig
12-22-2010, 10:20 AM
Bill, I have a flannel cover for one of my Repro 28 ga. cases but don't remember which one.
Regarding your 28 ga. case that fits the gun perfectly; are the exterrior dimensions the same as the smaller of my two cases which I previously posted measurements on?
Greg Baehman
12-22-2010, 10:29 AM
Dean, would you please post a photo of your flannel cover? I and I'm sure others that've never seen one would appreciate it.
TIA,
Dean Romig
12-22-2010, 10:46 AM
Sure Greg, I'll try to do it later tonight. I'll be shooting skeet until 9 pm.
Dean
Joe Bernfeld
12-22-2010, 07:07 PM
I too have a flannel cover for an early 28 ga. case. It is fragile (ripped) so I replaced it with a canvas cover I bought from Kenny. Much nicer! My other 'odd' cover is for an early 20 ga case. The zipper is centered top to bottom and is continuous, instead of being closer to the top and split in 2 parts, as on my other covers. I'd take pics, but I'm down in AZ chasing doves and quail :crying:.
Joe
Bill Murphy
12-22-2010, 07:13 PM
Dean, I would be hard pressed to send you any dimensions. You would have to see my fun room to understand. I have bought a few Repro cases over the years to house guns other than Repros, and they are a bit scattered. Repro cases should be bought when available.
Dean Romig
12-22-2010, 09:02 PM
You would have to see my fun room to understand.
Wanna bet? I understand completely... just ask Dave :eek:
Anyway, here are a few pics of my "flannel" case cover. It's not really flannel at all but a wool-like synthetic that is very easily pulled, balls like mohair, and is generally pretty fragile.
Notice that it fits the larger of my two 28 ga. Repro cases.
.
Kenny Graft
12-23-2010, 08:03 AM
Those are the very first covers that were with the protatypes and family guns....I have had about three of this type over the years, single and double cases, all had a P in front of the S.N. All gone now...)-: Thanks all SXS ohio...(-:
Joe Bernfeld
12-24-2010, 09:08 AM
My flannel cover came with a 18xx SN 28 ga gun, with no "P".
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