Sight Plane

[Mike Franzen]

When I shoulder my SBT I don’t get a flat sight plane like I do on my hunting Parker’s. The not very well taken picture give you an idea what I see. Is this common for SBT’s?

[Reggie Bishop]

Mike are the stock dimensions higher on that gun than your other Parkers? Normally the dimensions of the stock affect the sight plane when you shoulder the gun.

[Mike Franzen]

Yes, the comb is raised.

[John Dallas]

Common configuration for a trap gun. That sight picture will result in shooting high, which is what the trapshooters want, since the target is rising while it is being shot

[Mike Franzen]

Common configuration for a trap gun. That sight picture will result in shooting high, which is what the trapshooters want, since the target is rising while it is being shot

That makes sense. I knew there was a reason.

[Brian Dudley]

Looks like the sight plane on a repro.

[Mark Ray]

Built in lead for rising targets.

[Todd Poer]

I would not worry about it unless your missing a whole lot. Obviously if your shooting a dedicated trap gun, on a trap course then scoring matters to you. There maybe some minor tweaks to shooting style with that particular gun that you may want to pay attention to like getting gun stock higher on the cheek. Just need to play with it to see what works for you. Besides your not suppose to really see the barrel or sight plane anyway. if you do when shooting that means your aiming which leads to misses on moving targets.

I have also seen some trap guns with elevated ribs that will lower where muzzle points and the poi so that the shot is underneath the target as it is going away. If your looking at a whole lot of barrel then it could mean your shooting high and over the target. Btw from what I understand about trap is that even though targets are rising they are still going away and you want gun to shoot underneath. You never want to miss shooting high and over the top.

If it bugs you then try the old soda straw trick and tape it to the barrel. That might help you understand the reference points. Good luck and the fun of it is you get to figure it out.

[William Davis]

They are quite different. It’s hard for me to change sight pictures my SxS Parker’s to my SBT. No doubt the high comb float the bird picture is best for trap shooting on rising targets. Never figured out how to switch. Thats why I listed the SBT for sale. Trap targets I hit better with same SXS gun I use for clays.

William

[Dean Romig]

Mike - your sight picture should not look like that.
The 'ramped' ventilated rib and the rib itself are positioned on the barrel to 'build in' the elevation of the POI for your shot pattern to impact a rising trap target. If you plan to keep the gun you should consider modifying the comb to bring the rib more in line with your eye.





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[Gary Laudermilch]

Take the gun out and put it on the patterning board. You will find out what you need to know.

[Bill Murphy]

Rather than carving the comb down, I procured a Cutts Compensator barrel for my single trap. Now I can throw a 50" pattern with the spreader tube and it doesn't matter where I aim.

[scott kittredge]

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[scott kittredge]

when you look down the rib your 2 beads should make a figure 8 , middle bead top just touching base of front bread
scott

[Mike Franzen]

when you look down the rib your 2 beads should make a figure 8 , middle bead top just touching base of front bread
scott

Thanks for that Scott. I’ll check it later tonight after I get home.

[tom leshinsky]

Down yonder way, whats the old soda straw trick??

[Dean Romig]

Tape it to the top of the rib and use it like a scope??:corn:






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[Michael Meeks]

Tape it to the top of the rib and use it like a scope??:corn:

The parallax will counteract the sight plane issue! :rotf:

[Todd Poer]

Down yonder way, whats the old soda straw trick??

Dean referenced it. Tape a straw on the gun, then pick out a fixed target and then mount the gun. If when you mount the gun and look down the barrel and can see target thru straw then your good to go on reference point. If you have to adjust the gun up or down some to get sight picture then you have a straw sight and gun mount reference. You can use that straw and then pattern the gun.

I think there are even some cheap laser pointers you can put in the barrel to see where barrel point of aim is as well. Lots of little tricks.

[Daryl Corona]

Take the gun out and put it on the patterning board. You will find out what you need to know.

Gary has nailed it. The first thing I do when I buy a new gun is to take it out and pattern it with the load I plan on shooting it with. Nothing can show you where the gun prints like your face on the stock and pulling the trigger/s on a live round or two.

[Frank Cronin]

What Daryl said.

Get some paper and some shells and shoot 13 yards from the patterning board for determination of the POI.

Next do 33 yards for analysis of the pattern.

[Tom Flanigan]

Rather than carving the comb down, I procured a Cutts Compensator barrel for my single trap. Now I can throw a 50" pattern with the spreader tube and it doesn't matter where I aim.

I have to disagree with you Bill. Cutts should never be put on a SBT. What you need is a poly choke. More fitting for a Parker SBT. Get the one with the ventelated extension. Remember not to cut the barrel to less than 18". You want to keep the gun legal.

[Dean Romig]

Remember not to cut the barrel to less than 18". You want to keep the gun legal.

If not beautiful...





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[Mike Franzen]

Thanks for the 18” reminder. I would have hated to make that rookie mistake especially after the duct tape that was holding the drinking straw pulled all the finish off the forend.

[Bill Murphy]

My Cutts barrel is finished at 30" with the tube that is in the gun. I bought the barrel inexpensively from a gun parts dealer and it clicked right on a 30" gun in my collection. It makes a single trap much more useful for hunting compared to using the full choke barrel.

[Tom Flanigan]

My Cutts barrel is finished at 30" with the tube that is in the gun. I bought the barrel inexpensively from a gun parts dealer and it clicked right on a 30" gun in my collection. It makes a single trap much more useful for hunting compared to using the full choke barrel.

Come on Bill. I know you are messing with us. You would never hunt with a SBT. That's what Benelli autos with black plastic stocks are for. l wouldn't enter a New England grouse covert without one. I like how high velocity maximum loads of #4's work on the grouse and woodcock. If a deer flushes you can take a head shot with the 4's. It's a good all around load and gun. You need to get with the times Bill and change your aberrant ways.

[Bill Murphy]

I actually used the Cutts SC on a preserve pheasant shoot and was embarrassed at the success I had with one "bullet" in the gun. I have a couple of Parker order copies that show Colonel Cutts ordering Parker singles to test his compensators. In my "yout" (courtesy Yogi B.), I saw a Cutts equipped Ithaca 4E in the window at Tendler's Sales, 913 D Street N.W. Washington, D.C. but know nothing of its provenance. They are out there. We might as well use them.

[Tom Flanigan]

OMG Bill. All these years I thought you were a purist. Must be your Maryland upbringing. Yankees such as myself would never think of installing one of those horror devices on a fine gun. But to each his own. If you hunt grouse with me someday don't bring that gun. You would no doubt be bitten by my dog if not me.

[edgarspencer]

I have a couple of Parker order copies that show Colonel Cutts ordering Parker singles to test his compensators.

Bill, you seem to have an endless supply of order book stuff. Do you have one (or more) of the missing books? I was under the impression that my forty bucks for a research letter went to good use, but If you'll take less on the dark web, maybe we can do some business. I could use a new watch too. Maybe a nice knockoff Rolex.

[Bill Murphy]

My collection of order book copies came from the trash receptacles in the Archives at The Arms when we copied the records in 1998. The trash cans held copies that were not suitable for use by PGCA. I think James Hall has a similar collection. Your mistaken impression that I am in possession of more than "trash" is brought on by the fact that I freely share my research material, unlike some other individuals and organizations.

[edgarspencer]

Bill, you seem to have an endless supply of order book stuff. Do you have one (or more) of the missing books? I was under the impression that my forty bucks for a research letter went to good use, but If you'll take less on the dark web, maybe we can do some business. I could use a new watch too. Maybe a nice knockoff Rolex.

My collection of order book copies came from the trash receptacles in the Archives at The Arms when we copied the records in 1998. The trash cans held copies that were not suitable for use by PGCA. I think James Hall has a similar collection. Your mistaken impression that I am in possession of more than "trash" is brought on by the fact that I freely share my research material, unlike some other individuals and organizations.

I'm not sure how what I said suggested to you that I had any 'impression'. "Trash" was your word, and what I said about questioning whether you had any of the missing books was meant to be in jest. I certainly never thought you did have 'books', though it's fairly common knowledge that there are individuals that do. I can almost give you credit that you "freely share" the many pages of info you have. Almost, because the permission to copy, and permission to disseminate those copies, of the Parker records, was given to the PGCA, and ONLY the PGCA. Had all the members of the copy team been careless enough to spoil so many copies, and then picked the trash, I doubt there would be any point in having a research function, or that they could generate much income for the organization. I'm certainly not the only member that feels this way, just one of the few who doesn't much give a rats ^$$ who I offend.

[Paul Harm]

back to the sighting plane question. Everyone says the two beads should line up into a figure 8, but many trap guns will have a space between the beads. Yes it's easier to make sure your head is on the stock the same every time if the beads stack touching but that's about all. Different shooters want the gun to shoot higher or lower. I just got my barrel back and I'm going over to the club and just shoot some straight aways. Unless I really squeeze into the stock I see what your picture was. Different face structures and distances from the cheek to shoulder mean different DAC. The only way to tell is to shoot it at moving targets.