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Don Kaas
06-23-2009, 11:36 AM
Another Parker appears with Charles King's 1895 patent date for the reinforced stock wrist. This one a 1924 SC now on Gunbroker (nothing to do with me I just pulled the photo...:corn:)

Dean Romig
06-23-2009, 11:43 AM
I have a DH with the reinforcing hickory rod but with no patent stamp in the stock. I know this has been discussed here before but it seems that relatively few guns with this reinforcing rod were so stamped - am I correct on this?

Don Kaas
06-23-2009, 12:27 PM
This is only the 4th stamped one I've seen or heard about including the one shown in TPS. Clearly, the gurus had not seen too many either when the book was written. I have a CHE with the stamp. Dean, how do you know your DH has the patented hickory rod?

Dean Romig
06-23-2009, 12:36 PM
I can post a picture of the butt this evening. It is clearly visible.

Don Kaas
06-23-2009, 02:01 PM
I'd love to see it. Mine's at Russells for the "Hidden Hollow Treatment"...re-attach fore end loop, put back on face, fit second set of barrels...the usual!

Larry Frey
06-23-2009, 02:09 PM
Don I bet your gas mileage going home was somewhat lower considering all the old iron you were hauling back.:eek:

Robert Delk
06-23-2009, 02:58 PM
I am sure that Parker shooter /collectors 50 years from now will be mentioning Mr. Kaas' name in hushed and reverant tones.He certainly has and is doing more than his share in keeping the Parker name relevant.

Don Kaas
06-23-2009, 03:09 PM
More likely, I will be the unknown "idiot" when someone uses the phrase "Look what some idiot did to this Parker" :rolleyes:

Dean Romig
06-23-2009, 03:15 PM
Don, as long as you're keeping all of the original stocks from the guns you have restocked I see nothing "idiotic" about what you do to your guns.

. . . you are keeping them aren't you?

Don Kaas
06-23-2009, 03:32 PM
Yes

Robert Delk
06-23-2009, 03:40 PM
I had a restocked vhe and when the town old gunsmith sold me his parts the original stock was up there in the rafters,of course the vhe was long gone by then.He had a lot and I mean a lot of stocks that he had kept from restocks and the owners did not keep the original. I mated up a rare m70 with its original stock by calling the name on the work order. I wonder how many people kept the original back in the day,of course that was before everything became collectable \.

Dave Suponski
06-23-2009, 03:51 PM
Dean,Please don,t show a picture of your butt tonight :duck:

Dean Romig
06-23-2009, 04:10 PM
It's very difficult to be serious around here :rolleyes:

Destry L. Hoffard
06-23-2009, 05:16 PM
I've seen the pile, it's amazing....

DLH

Rich Anderson
06-23-2009, 09:08 PM
Don-The "Hidden Hollow Treatment" sounds very familiar as my CHE 20 is undergoing similiar surgery.

I shot the D hammer gun and did ok with it. Its off getting bent and twisted enough to fit me a little better. I think this twist and bend methodology will provide me with 3-4 extra targets and perhaps the Christmass goose

Destry L. Hoffard
06-23-2009, 09:13 PM
Goose? You ain't going goose hunting, don't lie to the boys like that.

DLH

Rich Anderson
06-23-2009, 10:29 PM
I have shot me many a fowl just not recently...ok 15 years or so. I once had three Snow Geese dead in the air at the same time using a Browning A5.

I like waterfowl hunting but not with the non toxic shot of the era (steel) nor do I care to eat them. I would like to give the early Goose season a try with the D hammer gun I got from Don. I think it would be nice to put that #2 frame 12 and its tight chokes to work on a goose hunt.:shock:

Destry L. Hoffard
06-23-2009, 10:39 PM
It could possibly be arranged, but to hunt with me you'd probably have to cross the river. Our early season goose shooting in Michigan is spotty on good years and non existant in others.

DLH

Don Kaas
06-24-2009, 09:06 AM
At .017/.027 (if I recall correctly), I wouldn't call that D hammer "tightly choked" but it has shot its share of ducks, including a trip to Beaver Dam. For geese, Destry and I have Big Parkers...

Rich Anderson
06-24-2009, 10:45 PM
Don I don't remember the exact constriction but its mod/tight mod so 17 & 27 is tight to me as I usually shoot .004 to .010 or the likes of skt/skt for Grouse and Pheasant.

DLH- A trip across the river sounds like fun. I will be in Wyoming chaseing deer and antelope the first of October. I have all the gear to hunt fowl...the waders might leak a little however.

Dean Romig
06-25-2009, 12:12 AM
OK let's try again.

There, finally!!

I believe the hickory rod was in the position shown here while any weight added to the stock was in a larger hole bored higher in the stock - above the two mid-point screws. I have seen several stocks with two plugs and the only one that could have lined up to continue through the wrist was the lower one as pictured here.

Larry Frey
06-25-2009, 09:54 AM
Dean,
You are correct about the size difference between the hickory insert versus the diameter of the holes used to adjust the weight and balance of a gun. This photo shows two plugs in my 16 Bernard gun.

Dean Romig
06-25-2009, 10:22 AM
Yours is a 1-Frame isn't it Larry? Mine is a 2-Frame and the difference in frame sizes/buttstocks probably accounts for the apparant difference in plugs/rods between yours and mine.

Larry Frey
06-25-2009, 12:00 PM
Yes mine gun is a one frame but I recall a couple of years ago we discussed this subject and someone measured the Hickory insert diameter and it was about an 1/8" smaller than the plugs on my gun. When you get home scale and post the diameter of the reinforcing rod and I will measure and post the size my plugs and we will see what the difference is.

Dean Romig
06-25-2009, 12:17 PM
Will do. I have another I'll look at too.

Chuck Bishop
06-25-2009, 10:05 PM
If you check in the Parker Pages for Parkers Found, you will find my entry of a 1 1/2 frame PH with patent stamp S/N 206585. It has a 9/16 diameter rod.

Larry Frey
06-25-2009, 10:14 PM
The two plugs in the gun I pictured above measure 1" in diameter.

Dean Romig
06-25-2009, 10:32 PM
It just came to me - My DH was among the vast tonnage that left Hausman's on that fateful day along with Larry's and Rich's and countless others who assigned the repair of these guns to the capable hands of Russ Bickel.

I'm sure someone will remind me of this thread when I get the DH back.

The others I thought I could inspect and post my findings on either didn't have the rod or plug or I simply couldn't make it out.

Destry L. Hoffard
06-25-2009, 11:50 PM
I talked to Russ the other day and got a report of his progress. You boys gave him some interesting stuff to work on apparently. He's so good it scares me, he just fixed a problem on my magnum 10 gauge that three other gunsmiths haven't been able to figure out.

DLH

Ed Blake
06-26-2009, 09:36 AM
You mean he fixed that "missing" problem? I'll have to send one of mine to him. Sorry Destry, couldn't help myself.

Dave Suponski
06-26-2009, 10:40 AM
If Russ can do that! I am sending him ALL my guns!

Destry L. Hoffard
06-26-2009, 04:08 PM
Nobody can fix that, I've tried for year......

DLH